Russian warships bound for Cuba in new show of strength

billyb says on Dec 16, 2008, 19:58:

Show of strength? Two rusty ships that need a tugboat escort, a show strength? A show of strength is a 12 ship carrier battle group with submarine pickets.

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miamimike says on Dec 16, 2008, 21:07:

There's more to come Billy(russian ships as well as chinese freighters that is) and just think, had we normalized relations with Cuba during Russia's absence the last few decades and lifted the Dumb 40 year Embargo, those could have been US Cargo Ships hauling American Products that were produced by Americans but that wouldn't have been keeping with the current administration's Deep Recession plans (misery index) and massive Job Losses(nov 2008 job loss--533,000) Can't have too much of a Bad thing, eh?

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miamimike says on Dec 16, 2008, 21:16:

I wouldn't exactly categorize the Chabanenko as a Rust Bucket, not with this type armorment,,,
As far as Tugboat escorts, many large ships Today that don't have Bow Thrusters(and many do not) in their propulsion systems have no choice to dock with Tug Boats Assistance,,,


HULL: These ships have a long, low forward superstructure with quad Sunburn (SS-N-22)** anti-ship missiles launchers under cantilevered extensions to the bridge structure, such as in the SOVREMENNYY class . A lattice quadrapod foremast is stepped abaft a short pylon that bears the Kite Scree ch ** gunfire control radar. The foremast carries the Strut Pair ** and Top Plate ** radars. The forward pair of tapered stacks is abaft the foremast. The shorter lattice mainmast is stepped ahead of the after pair of stacks.

ARMAMENT: The UDALOY class mounts the Silex (SS-N-14)** missiles farther forward in a separate launcher than this ship does. Other significant armament changes include the replacement of the two 100-mm gun mounts with one twin 130-mm/70 caliber mount and the fitting of two CADS-1 gun/missile close-in weapons systems (CIWS) instead of the AK-630 Gatling CIWS found on the UDALOYs. Four four-round vertical launchers for the SA-N-9 surface-to-air nuclear missiles (SAM) are located in a low barbette ahead of the 130-mm gun. The Type 2S95 vertical SAM launchers can provide a launch rate up to 24 mi ssiles per minute. Two more are fitted side-by-side in a separate house abaft the ship's crane; the last two are mounted in tandem in the forward part of the after deckhouse. The ships' torpedo tubes can fire torpedoes or ASW missiles

The torpedo tubes are mounted behind shutters in the hull sides, and there may be a complete set of reloads. Carries 350 rounds of 130-mm and 12,000 rounds of 30-mm gun ammunition. The RBU-6000 rocket launchers are said to be intended primarily as anti-torpedo countermeasures. The 130-mm gun fire-c ontrol radar is a dual-frequency set with laser rangefinder and television adjuncts. The hangar has separate bays to accommodate two Helix (Ka-29 )** helicopters, which are partially lowered into them by elevators similar to the arrangement in the KARA and KRESTA-II classes. There is a control stati on between the hangar bays. A variable-depth sonar is fitted in the stern counter, similar to that of the KIROV** class cruisers.


http://www.militaryperiscope.com/mdb-smpl/weapons/ships/destroyr/w0004...

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billyb says on Dec 17, 2008, 06:32:

Mike, it wasn't meant to be taken literally, I used hyperbole to make the point that two boats is not a show strength that is going to intimidate the US navy in Caribbean waters.

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babygirl says on Dec 17, 2008, 17:43:

Hmmm.... you don't think it's intimidating? I don't mean raw brute force intimidating but what the hell is going on intimidating?

I still would have loved to go on the ships but not so much as to change my holiday plans :)

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goin_south says on Dec 17, 2008, 18:07:

your man, BO,
of the Chicago Political MACHINERY..
who is waiting to take office,
probably also has couzns in de KGB

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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