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No politics today. OK? Colombia, sadly to say, may not be a participant, but Colombia's interest, according to everyone I have talked to, is still quite strong. After all, it is the World Cup!!! So, I am dedicating this thread to anything that has anything to do with World Cup Action. In other words, no arguments and no insults. So fire away.

By Gomezman5 on Jun 9, 2006, 07:07 in Friendly Talkzone.


Michael_B says on Jun 9, 2006, 08:59:

My Money is on Colombia I bet the finca on it ;-)

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2006, 09:37:

Me too. For 2010

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 9, 2006, 10:30:

What do you mean by that??!! "In other words, no arguments and no insults. So fire away."

Well, G5..#$ at %% to you and %$*)(#))#(*$*...so how do you like that??!! and furthermore...&*^%))*%%**%^$* or you can *&%$^&&#$%# at ./....with that said, i feel better now!!!!!!!!!!!! Damm. isnt PBH great therapy???

hahahhahahahahhaa.....

Go Irannnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!hahahhahaha.....

Just my opinion...

Miguel_Clavo...faltan 21 días...Colombia es pasión!

"Ignorance is a Weapon of Mass Destruction..."

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Miguel says on Jun 9, 2006, 13:29:

G5 I'm going with Brasil. It was great to see so much offense in the Germany-Costa Rica match.

As I post, it's 70:00 in the Ecuador-Poland match with Ecuador up 1-0.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2006, 14:31:

OK......everyone My instinct...really instinct tells me to go with Brazil. From a technical perspective, taking into account talent and everything else, they sure look like the best team.But,and this is a big but, South American teams don't have a very good record when the Cup
is played in Europe. I heard on the news last night that no South American team has ever won in Europe. I have not had a chance to check that out, but if that is the case, even Brazil is going to have an an up hill battle. I also know that the hosting team certainly has the benefit of the home crowd? For example, 4 years ago, was S Korea really that good, or was it those non stop screaming fans making a difference. When France won in 98 were they really the best team, or did they make the most of the fact that they were the hosting country?

Ecuador really dominated Poland. Poland was never really in it. I know it's early, but that gives at least some credence to what I said here last September when everyone was many here were selling Ecuador short. On the other hand, Colombia knocked off the field in Barranquilla (wasn't it a 5-0 romp???). I am not picking Ecuador to go far. But I would not be surprised if they moved beyond the first round....in fact, I predict that they will.

Kernow......who's your pick....England or Paraguay? That should be a very good game. Sorry Kernow, I have to go with my Latin Brothers. Paraguay. This team is under rated. Me thinks.....Par 2 Eng. 1

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2006, 18:36:

Good point El norteno For all the great offensive ability that Brazil has, (as mentioned by you above) defense is not something that they are short on either. The value of Cafu, who is probably in his last Cup competition, and Roberto Carlos, cannot be overlooked on defense. Cafu, is so agile, and plays with such finess, in my opinoin, sets the standard as to what defense in this game is all about. Kaka still holds up very well in his midfield position.

You know something. The Cup always has its share of upsets, look what happened to so many teams 4 years ago. Remember Argentina? OK, that being said, it is about this time every Cup I say to myself, maybe Brazil will be the talk of upsets this time. Inasmuch as I have a whole lot of respect for how great these players are, damn it, I am tired, of everytime, before the first ball is even kicked, of having to say, hey what differnece does it make who wins and loses, because in the end, Brazil is going to win the Cup anyway. So once again, I hope for an early departure for Brazil. Imagine, all the speculation that will took place if Brazil is no longer a factor. Anything is possible.

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kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2006, 18:50:

I think England will beat Paraguay 2-0. As long as we attack and get a few set pieces. If England does get beat it will be an upset that's for sure. Paraguay is 400 to 1 at the bookies to make it out of this group. England is currently at 8 to 1.

Poland and Ecuador are fairly close in odds at 80 to 1 and 125 to 1 respectively. I liked the way Ecuador played a defensive counter-attacking game, they have great pace and athleticism.

The bookies have Brazil at 5 to 2 and the next closest in their group is Croatia at 50 to 1. So should be a piece of cake.

Argentina is at 7 to 1 and Holland at 15 to 1. I think the Dutch will be very good in this cup. They are the best team in the world never to have won the cup, they are due. Go Ruud!

France is a favourite 9 to 1 with the Swiss at 100 to 1.

Now a close group is the group with the US.

Italy is favoured at 10 to 1 but the US is only just behind at 12 to 1 whilst the Czech republic has dropped to 40 to 1 because of injuries.

The other tight group is Portugal at 20 to 1 and Mexico at 25 to 1.

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platano says on Jun 9, 2006, 19:05:

I am predicting an upset in Saturday evening's game... I know Argentina is favored... that's why it will be a big upset when Cote d’Ivoire wins.
Suppose I should give a reason I think that. In part it is because Ivory Coast is coached by Henri Michel, a former French national team player and coach. This year's team has a roster full of players who have the experience of competing in the strongest European leagues. It may be a long shot but Africa will be pulling for Ivory Coast as will I. I still remember Colombia's defeat of Argentina, 5-0 in 1994. I was rolling on the floor in ecstasy, and I want to repeat the experience of Argentina's defeat this year.

plátano

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kernow62 says on Jun 9, 2006, 19:34:

I would like to see that too Platano, but even Drogba can't work miracles.

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platano says on Jun 9, 2006, 19:43:

You know there is a certain similarity between Colombia and Cote d’Ivoire but since the OP prohibits any political talk I won't mention civil war or anything like that.

No, Drogba alone can't work miracles, but with Kanga Akale and Emerse Fae, etc.?

And let's not forget Zokora! Zokora is fast, and not just on his feet... He is also unusually quick with his hips and shoulders as well. He can easily fool markers in one on one situations thanks to his agility which gives him endless options for deceiving markers. Zokora can turn on a dime, changing direction to keep opponents guessing, until he speeds by and sends another pass to a teammate with pinpoint precision.

plátano

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billyb says on Jun 9, 2006, 20:24:

Platano.. I shared your ecstasy in '94 when we beat the Argentines 5-0. Does anybody else see a Brazil/England final? I beleive the draw is such that it's a possibility.

BillyB

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 9, 2006, 21:58:

Yea Kernow..... You're probably right. I know you guys don't like FIFA rankings, but England is rated much higher than Paraguay. In fact Colombia is rated higher than Paraguay. So I can't see how I thought Paraguay will beat England 2-1. Well, maybe I just wish it so. Kernow and Brazil would be a great final. Heck, let the old pros like Roberto Carlos and Kafu go out in style. On the other hand, England can use some cheering up these days. Plus, like I said before, South America does not have a good record at winning when they play in Europe.

So, is everyone really going to write Germany off so quickly? Aren't you guys forgeting about hosting country advantage. Would Korea would have done so well 4 years ago? Would France would have won 8 years ago? Would the US have done so well (they really did considering from where they came) 12 years ago? (Including the victory over Colombia). I think people better not see Germany short.

As to the Czech Republic. Hmmm, what a bad break these guys got huh? They have played so well and were easily one of the best teams in Europe....I really feel bad for these guys.

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2006, 08:01:

England 1 Paraguay 0 in the most lackluster display so far in the World Cup. If England continue to play like that they won't go far. They need to settle down now after winning 3 points. Paraguay was the better ball handling team by far.

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caulfield2 says on Jun 10, 2006, 08:16:

England played a very pedestrian first game. Nobody played that well for England, Lampard had the best shots on goal but the second goalie for Paraguay gamely stopped them. 1-0 on an own goal for Gammara (sp), one of Paraguay's best defenders.

The only Paraguayan I was really impressed with was their striker, Valdez or Valdes.

I think England really needs a healthy Rooney to go anywhere in the second round. Paraguay didn't dominate the second half, but they played England pretty evenly.

Crouch, the 6-7 striker for England must have had 10 fouls and a yellow card. It seemed that everytime he went up for a header, he was called by the Mexican ref. The advantage in free kicks for PARA must have been at least 2-1.

I'm pulling for Ivory Coast (memories of Cameroon over ARG) and Drogba is one of my favorites. I also like Chelsea in the English League. Ivory Coast has the strikers and defense, it will be interesting to see how their midfield will hold up.

Most are expecting Messi to emerge as the new world star after this Cup.

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johna says on Jun 10, 2006, 09:12:

Congrats to Ecuador! I love an underdog. I went crazy when I saw that Cameroon over ARG victory. The other one that really sticks out for me is s. Korea over Italy last cup. In fact I find ARG and ITL very similar in attitude and approach to them game. Needless to say I think alot of people were more than a little happy. I think an interesting game will be Angola v. Portugal. The old colony v. the old superpower, I think there will be lots of emotion. Well I am off to watch Trin & Tob. take on Sweden.

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kernow62 says on Jun 10, 2006, 11:14:

Sweden hasn't won their first round match since 1958! England hasn't beaten Sweden in yonks. After watching Trinidad I am not thinking England beating them is a given, but I still think they will.

I have noticed the underdogs seem to do best early on because they don't have the pressure on them that the big teams do. The big teams usually settle down after a match or two. Hopefully that isn't too late for them.

Isn't it interesting a 0 - 0 result means totally different things depending on the team expectations.

I tried watching the England v Paraguay match on US telly, where the hell did they find that announcer and Marcelo Balboa is a joke. In five minutes I heard Balboa refer to Beckham as Michael Beckham, then he got England and Germany mixed up, the other fellow said Argentina was favoured in this group (which they aren't in), he call Beckham, David Beckett. Wankers. I switched over to German TV, yawn they put me to sleep. In the end back to Univision. Even a boring game sounds great!!!

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webmanco says on Jun 10, 2006, 11:38:

Alemania, Brasil then Argentina

Click on Higuita to see his save in one game

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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platano says on Jun 10, 2006, 11:48:

toneloc... "How in the hell do you explain...?" The way I explain upsets is with four words: "on any given day..."

I'm hoping today is the day for Cote d'Ivoire to win! GO AFRICA!

plátano

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platano says on Jun 10, 2006, 13:29:

Half time report... Platano is rolling on the floor... in agony! Looks very difficult for CIV to pull this one out.

plátano

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vladimiro says on Jun 10, 2006, 14:28:

world cup I think England has a good chance to win this year. I hope injured Iran can overcome Mexico tommorrow and atleast make it to the second round. I like the games with political overtones like when US got kicked out of world cup by Iran as shown below :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vfi9-7oa0E&search=iran%20world%20cup

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fugdis says on Jun 10, 2006, 16:04:

tactics England werent that bad first half and fell apart in the second half.
Ericsson is a bad manager! he has no tactics,he plays people out of position,makes CRAZY substitutions and keeps experimenting with ineffective formations.England has some world class players that perform well at club level but cant seem to get it together in an england shirt.
It seems to me that if anyone is playing well ericsson substitutes them like he did today with joe cole.
It is the patriotic duty of every englishman out there to say a quiet prayer for young mr.Rooneys foot.Perhaps a few sparks of individual talent will get us through

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 07:47:

Vladimiro Are you serious? Iran, overcome Mexcio. Are you dreaming? I'll take that bet. Besides, I'm slightly curious. Why do you single that match out? Why do you wish to seem Iran beat Mexico? I am still willing to bet you or anyone else for that matter that Mexico will beat Iran,,,,and soundly. Mexico is clearly a much better team-hands down. On the other hand, as we have seen before, on any given day, anything can happen.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:06:

The climate...was a factor for England The temperature in Frankfort was close to 90 degrees. It was very hot for play of this type. Supposedly, the entire English team drank 70 litres of water and on the average, each player lost about 5 pounds. They were nearly exhausted. That might explain things.

England is a great team. But I don't care who is playing, when you have to play under those type of conditions, you are not going to be playing at your best. So, after all is said, you will have to cut England some slack for their somewhat lackluster performance in the second half.

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platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:16:

Normally I'd agree with G5... Mexico hands down... even more so given Iran's injury list... but Mexico could foul their way to defeat with sloppy play.... on any given day...

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:34:

30 minute mark....Mexico 1 Iran 0 Hey Platano.....I appreciate the fact that you "normally agree with me".
There are not many on here that do.

Today, one yellow card already. And, not playing too well at the 22 minute mark. However, injuries or not, Iran is not not "even is the same league as Mexico. Few teams are. But Mexico is Mexico,and they have beaten many great teams and their world wide ranking demands respect. If anything, they may underestimate their competition. That is their biggest problem, even more than their propencity to foul. However, after weak first halves, they seem to know how to come together in the second half to get the one or two goals they need to win. A lot is going to depend on how well Sanchez will perform in Goal. Sanchez is the difference, even with the proficiency of Marque and Sanchez on defense.

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platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:39:

G5, when it comes to football, salsa, law, and politics... You just know more... so it is safe to agree with you.

Iran 1 Mexico 1

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:41:

Thanks my man.....but I'm near tears Sanchez could not do anything about that goal. That corner kick just had the smell of Goal. I felt it, the commentators felt it and so did every fan of Mexico from here to Chiapas.

Plenty of time though.
Entonces...Viva Mexico..!!

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Miguel says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:53:

Oye Quiero saber..despues de un GOL mexicano, sus aficionados toman un trago de tequila...pero digame, ¿que pasa despues de un GOL iraní?

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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vladimiro says on Jun 11, 2006, 09:55:

Iran vs Mexico Iran ties it up 1-1. Mexico is better but Iran often miraculously beats opponents that are much better than them. I'll be happy with a draw and Iran making it to the second round. I like Iran because I'm half Iranian, lived thier when I was a kid, and grew up in an Iranian family.

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platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:14:

Miguel, Traditionally Iranians drink cold water with their meals. Maybe after a gol it's water?

plátano

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Miguel says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:19:

Green banana Thanks for the cultural update. You think the farc boys and girls are taking the day off and watching la copa mundial?

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:21:

G5 asked that this thread be free of politics so I respectfully decline to take the bait. :)

plátano

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webmanco says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:42:

En hora buena!!

En hora buena!!

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 10:44:

MEXICO 3- Iran-1 I know people here hate it when the G5 is right.....But, I'm right again. What did I write above??? I'll remind you:

....."after weak first halves, they seem to know how to come together in the second half to get the one or two goals they need to win."

And so it's happening again!! (with 5 minute left)

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Miguel says on Jun 11, 2006, 11:10:

Platano I was not baiting you but actually wondering if the guerillas ( and the paracos) are taking the day off to watch fútbol. I hope so.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 11:16:

OK, Miguel... but why ask me? I know nothing... Today I am not interested in what any of the armed actors are doing.

plátano

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johna says on Jun 11, 2006, 11:58:

Ok Portugal vs. Angola on next.... ...this should be interesting. The old colony taking on the colonizer, alot of emotion there probably. I know next to nothing about the Angolan team, but it is always fun to watch the newcomers.
About the Mexico game, I did not think Mexico looked to impressive with their passes. Maybe just first game jitters there.

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johna says on Jun 11, 2006, 13:05:

Platano please tell me you were joking "G5, when it comes to football, salsa, law, and politics...
You just know more... so it is safe to agree with you."

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 13:43:

OK, Johna and others, I thought I made it clear.. In the begining....I asked no politics....no personal insults. It applies to all. Myself included. If someone wants to complement someone, myself, johna, or whoever, than fine. But but leave the insults and negative comments OFF THIS THREAD--- PLEASE. Is that asking too much?

If people find this request to difficult, than create another thread and attack me or whoever until their heart's content. Until now, everyone has been sticking to my request. So let's get back on track.

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platano says on Jun 11, 2006, 13:50:

johna, I stand by my words praising G5. But out of respect for the request in the OP I'm not going to say more, except to say I respect G5 and wish him the best.

And today's game proved G5 was right: Mexico didn't just win over Iran. They won convincingly.

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 14:01:

Thanks again Platano 2 points.
1. I knew someone was going to start something negative and personal.I even tried to reconcile things with Johna in the other thread by admiring his experience in Korea, and inquiring about it. Go figure.

2.As to your statement about Mexico. Of course they played well. They got three goals. When you get three goals in Cup competition, you have to give the team credit.May I also add, they got the three goals in the fashion I predicted- a so so first half and then the rose to the occassion with 2 goals in the second half. Three goals is three goals. Enough said.

Platano, there are plenty of Mexico haters on this board. Suffice to say, if Mexcio, out of stroke of luck, went to the final and beat Brazil, some brillinat one would come on here and say that Mexico got lucky.

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Simon says on Jun 11, 2006, 14:56:

Mexico's win was in part due to their NATURALIZED players, the BRASILIAN Zinha and the ARGENTINE Franco. That doesn't surprise me at all.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 11, 2006, 15:59:

You need to do more research, Simon, because if you're wielding that brush you're going to get paint everywhere:

Germany Kevin Kuranyi (Brazil)
Germany Gerald Asamoah (Ghana)
Germany Miroslav Klose (Poland)
Poland Emmanuel Olisadebe (Nigeria)
Belgium Emile and Mbo Mpenza (Congo)
France Patrick Vieira (Senegal)
France Marcel Dessaily (Ghana)
France Claude Makelele (Congo)

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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johna says on Jun 11, 2006, 16:16:

Gozeman maybe I was a little hard on you but I was truly shocked by Platano's comment. I was simply inquiring whether or not it was sarcasm. And if you will think back you will remember that it was not me who started the insults. So if you dish it out be ready to get it back. Don't be so sensitive.

Now back to futbol.

"As to your statement about Mexico. Of course they played well. They got three goals. When you get three goals in Cup competition, you have to give the team credit.May I also add, they got the three goals in the fashion I predicted- a so so first half and then the rose to the occassion with 2 goals in the second half. Three goals is three goals. Enough said."

Mexico only had about 15 min of decent play against a below average team. Though I love Mexico they stunk up the first half. The first goal was probably offsides by the way. The next two were very nice.
But that does not negate the fact that the midfield play was poor. Also to accuse me of being a Mexico hater because of this observation is pretty silly and hypocritical. It does even come close to hoping someone "chokes on a taco".

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fugdis says on Jun 11, 2006, 16:48:

taco ooooppsss,i think the taco comment is gonna keep coming back to haunt you G5

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Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2006, 18:37:

futbol I'm rooting for Costa Rica (eventhough they probably won't go too far).

Ecuador... nah. Colombia taught those guys everything they know about soccer and suddenly, they are starring us down, their heads got too big.

Brazil is our best bet as far as South America goes.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 11, 2006, 18:56:

You sound like my wife, Colombiche. She roots for the South American teams. I told her, what do you care if those malcriados Argentines win? She just grinned and said she was from South America and so were they and that was enough.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Colombiche says on Jun 11, 2006, 19:12:

Noooooooo!!!!!! Not Argentina, no, my southamericanism doesn't go that far!!!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 19:39:

God.....can't disappear for even couple of hours Funny. I love this site. I'm a Mexico lover (aka GomeXman5) and I'm a Mexico hater (taco comment). I guess that only proves, I'm Fair and Balanced.

Well, it should come as no suprise, the old timers should no who I favor.

1. US
1A. Mexico. I'll explain. If the US wins, who is going to care? I can assure you, on the local news here in Chicago. If the Cubs win or lose, they will be covered first. If the White Sox win or lose, they will be next story. Then, the NBA playoffs. Then something about the Bears mini camp. And in the last 15 seconds, the fact that the US World Cup won a game will get a mere mention. Get the point? Nobody in this country care ab out the US soccer team, so I figure, why not give it to a country that really appreciates this match? In Mexico today, everything stopped, woke up early for a sunday, or whatever, to watch their beloved Mexico play. OK.....back to my choices

2. Any Latin American team. I prefer it NOT be Argentina or Brazil. However, suffice to say, if a Latin American team does win, it will in fact probably one of those two team....

3. ??? I have not thought about it after that

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kernow62 says on Jun 11, 2006, 20:17:

Gringo wrote "I thought your team was 'the Corns'."

The Cornish play rugby not football.

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kernow62 says on Jun 11, 2006, 20:31:

Actually since the odds makers are favouring the US to win it wouldn't be an upset. The odds makers are always a better judge of teams than FIFA rankings.

Today some US players were saying that they play a similar game to Holland (they wish), anyway they were going on record to say they would control the majority of the ball. Nedved doesn't need the ball for long though. If the US attacks they should do good, if they play defensively they will get caught by surprise.

Italy is favoured to come out on top in the group.

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Simon says on Jun 11, 2006, 20:36:

"If the US wins, who is going to care? I can assure you, on the local news here in Chicago. If the Cubs win or lose, they will be covered first. If the White Sox win or lose, they will be next story. Then, the NBA playoffs. Then something about the Bears mini camp. And in the last 15 seconds, the fact that the US World Cup won a game will get a mere mention. Get the point? Nobody in this country care ab out the US soccer team, so I figure, why not give it to a country that really appreciates this match? In Mexico today, everything stopped, woke up early for a sunday, or whatever, to watch their beloved Mexico play."





Excellent Point! This is exactly why I don't want the US to win it all, a country that is so apathetic about soccer doesn't deserve it!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 11, 2006, 21:06:

See Simon....we can agree on things Yea....that's about it. Look, in the morning, I'll go to work. I have my 5 inch B&W TV that I pop on my desk to watch the game. It's my World Cup TV because I only use it non stop every 4 years. Then, it's back to the cabinet. Anyway, I'll walk in the office, and everybody is going to be talking about the highlights of the Cubs and Sox (mostly Cubs). The US will be playing in only a couple of hours,yet nobody, I mean nobody will give a damn. In fact, the closest person that I can find that will be interested in the game, is a Mexican secretary who works down the hall but just so happens to want to see the US win as well as Mexico.

I think Simon is on to something, if the country does not even give a damn about its team, then....what's the point? The only thing I can say is this however, the more the team plays, the more people will take interest, and the further they go, the more the people will catch on. Look at it this way. Before, the Cup was played here in 94, soccer was just something people heard about, but it was played no where. Since that time. IN Suburban (white) America, soccer is very big in the high schools, and now in the universities. That's where the term "soccer mom" comes from. Also, considering how new it is here, our major league soccer has gotten to be quite a credible league. So.....although the support is not where I would like it to be, it's getting better. Oh, The Chicago Fire has expanded so much, as season ticket sales continue to do well, it is my understanding that they will soon be getting their own stadium in suburban Chicago.

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kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2006, 04:35:

In the Sunday paper here in Orlando World Cup was buried towards the back of the sports section. Nuff said.

Marcelo Balboa can't even name the players properly or the teams, if he a US footballer can't even get it right how can they expect Joe Public to cotton on.

In the US paper they rank Steven Gerrard as England's best player, must have been a scouse bastard that moved to the US.

Poor Little Scouser

He's only a poor little scouser
His face is all tattered and torn
He made me feel sick
So I hit him with a brick
And now he can't sing anymore!

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johna says on Jun 12, 2006, 07:29:

West coast. I think soccer is getting bigger here on the west coast of the USA. I grew up in Oregon and my dad was a huge soccer fan so I am a little biased, but I played in HS and our team had a lot of support, ie people were interested. We also have a minor league team the Timberwolves who are very popular. Then I moved down to the California and saw that soccer was popular in this area too.
The San Jose team has a decent fan base, and it is not made up entirely of latinos as some people suggest. So Gozeman we may be in agreement. Miracle of miracles! Soccer is becoming more popular, but still not at the level I wish it were. I love those SMILFs too.
As to the fair and balanced thing, if you are using the fox news definition we are in agreement again.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 12, 2006, 08:58:

Johna.....& Kernow Miracles, that we're in agreement? Not at all. We may disagree a lot, but we always disagree in the same subject are. There are so many things to talk about, and so many people to share ideas with, that I feel confident that we could be "on the same page" in many areas. And, it looks like this is one of them. As long as when everyone logs in here and at the same time everyone says to themselves that today is a new day, then I feel confident that there are other areas that we can find a common ground. And, I tend to be a little privy to Fox News, which is one area that I know is not to well liked here.
Peace Johna....OK...back to football/soccer.

The kind of stuff that you experienced here out west pretty much happens here in the Chicago area. Soccer in the city per se does not have much support, but if you get into the suburbs, especially the middle/upper middle class suburbs, it is more popular.

Kernow, that really surprises me about Orlando. As we have talked about before, with the growing Latino population, I would have thought that there would be greater coverage of the Cup. Well, like I said, it will just take more time.

In the meantime, the US is starting and it's off to my 5 inch B&W TV on my desk...so Go US !!

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Miguel says on Jun 12, 2006, 09:10:

Ok First of all to my buddy Pedro in Perth, congratulations!!!

Soccer in my hometown of St. Louis, Missouri, is, has been, and probably always will be very popular. Do a Google search and read about our soccer heritage.

Tengo que irme...CZE 1 USA 0

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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johna says on Jun 12, 2006, 09:24:

Paz a ti tambien G5. lets hope the US gets one soon.

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kernow62 says on Jun 12, 2006, 16:16:

Ouch, I know England played poorly too, but a win is a win. The US didn't have the luxury of a win when playing poorly. They couldn't keep control like Holland does as they had predicted, and worse they couldn't penetrate the defense which is the Czech teams only slightly weak point. Italy has a great defense.

It isn't quite time to pack the bags back home to the land of Yanks, but as the US has never won a World Cup match in Europe I am not holding my breath.

G5 the Spanish language local papers may have covered it a bit more, but as Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are baseball mad it wouldn't surprise me if the Spanish papers displayed a paucity of coverage.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 12, 2006, 16:18:

The US is playing in the World Cup? Who let that happen?

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platano says on Jun 12, 2006, 16:58:

UTC, They let them in and even let them be host in 1994 in Los Angeles, when the United States defeated Colombia in the World Cup, by a score of 2-1.

plátano

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billyb says on Jun 12, 2006, 18:06:

Johna, the San Jose... Earthquakes just recently moved to Houston. they were going to be renamed "the 1836", which besides sounding stupid, was in celebration of the battle at the Alamo. The new ownwers finaly came to their senses and realised that it wasn't to smart to offend the mexican fan base.

BillyB

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 12, 2006, 18:18:

As far as the US is concerned They are a bunch of Guevones

They played poorly. Kernow is right, if they could not penetrate the Czech offense, how do they think that they are going to defeat Italy, who has even a better offense. But it was not just just the Czech defense that shut them down. The US offense just could not seem to execute. Sure they caught a few bad breaks, but that was not an excuse for them being unable to set up and take some quality shots.The US looked tired, and disinterested.

If they don't come out better prepared against Italy, they will deserve the eminent early departure.

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platano says on Jun 12, 2006, 21:39:

I'm still waiting for it to come true that it's possible that... ON ANY GIVEN DAY, Croatia could defeat Brazil... like maybe tomorrow? Anybody want to take the odds? I got this feeling tomorrow could be Croatia's day. 1-0 Croatia.plátano

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 13, 2006, 10:29:

Platano..... Suffice to say, I would love to see Croatia beat Brazil. An early departure by Brazil would be the upset of all upsets.

OK, so I'm dreaming, but like Platano says...."On any given day...."

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Miguel says on Jun 13, 2006, 10:38:

Croatia beating Brazil, G5? Since you are a Cubs fan, I understand that mentality, and respect it, but it ain't gonna happen. HOWEVER, if it does, I will go on record to cover your first night's expenses in your friend's wiskeria en Bogotá. Day two through ¿ día? you are on your own!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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johna says on Jun 13, 2006, 10:52:

Billyb I had heard about them moving but didn't realize it happened already. That is a stupid name, and by the way didn't the texans get thumped at the Alamo. They should forget the Alamo, not remember it. What is the new name going to be?

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 13, 2006, 11:33:

The US team deserves an early exit not that anyone cares.

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platano says on Jun 13, 2006, 14:22:

Re: Croatia-Brazil match... Well... I got the 1-0 right! LOL!

plátano

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 13, 2006, 19:26:

US soccer fans? I think the 5 of them chartered a Cessna to fly over there.

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kernow62 says on Jun 13, 2006, 20:11:

No Utopia, they are Americans, they used a self-powered hot air balloon. ;-)

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kernow62 says on Jun 14, 2006, 10:10:

I thought they were fighters, not quitters. They aren't out of it yet, but are already resigned to leaving.

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Dolfi says on Jun 15, 2006, 01:00:

Diego Maradona was cited in the german press this morning saying that Spain has the strongest team in this worldcup.

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Miguel says on Jun 15, 2006, 02:26:

Those Spaniards! Indeed, very impressive; in particular the passing.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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kernow62 says on Jun 15, 2006, 05:02:

Barca were helped by an early sending off of Arsenal's goalie (also Germany's goalie). I think Arsenal may have just pipped them in that game.

I would agree with the short fat guy from Argentina, Spain is in good form and has bags of talent. Their bench could eat many teams in the competition.

They deserve a win. So do Holland.

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platano says on Jun 15, 2006, 05:49:

Yes, Spain looks good... better than Brazil's pathetic... one goal at the 44 minute mark against Croatia... Spain would make Brazil look like a school yard pick up team....plátano

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 07:27:

Gringodiego No Ukrnania is not that bad...not at all. When the other team takes the heart out of you and you lose the desire to fight, the momentum goes substantially to the winning team. Soccer is not like other sports. If you are down by 2 goals in the second half in World Cup competition, your chances of coming back are next to nothing. It's not like in baseball when you are down by a run in the bottom of the ninth, and you can easily come back to tie and win.

I agree with you assertion about Gringos complaining about Soccer and trying to tell THE REST OF THE WORLD what needs to be done to the game. Americans just have a different way of thinking. They like a lot of offense. Soccer is primarily a defense minded game. To Americans, if there is no scoring, it's a boring game.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 07:35:

By the way.....Germany...Ecuador The second half of yesterday's Germany / Poland match was so heavily dominated by Germany. Germany's offense tied up Poland in knots. Most of Poland could hardly take control of the ball.

And I agree that Brazil so far has looked less than impressive. But don't forget we set hight standards for what most would still consider a great team.

But,,,,don't count Germany out. Remember, all else being equal, they are playing in Germany and that gives them quite an advantage.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 07:58:

Ecuador....best record at this moment That is right, you read it. As of this moment, Ecuador has the best stats in the Cup competition. 2 wins combined with 5 goals and no goals against them, puts them at the top.

I told you guys (Kernow) last fall that they were quite a team. And Kernow, they're not playing in Quito, so they don't have that advantage that we argued about.

However, let's see what they will do with Germany. That will be one great match. Me thinks that they will give Germany a good work out. If they beat Germany (a big if) than to me, then anything is possible.

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webmanco says on Jun 15, 2006, 08:04:

Óscar Julián Ruiz fue desig El Tiempo
Óscar Julián Ruiz fue designado por la Fifa para dirigir el partido número 22 del Mundial


Un Colombiano

El del viernes, en Stuttgart, será el cuarto partido mundialista del llanero Óscar Julián Ruiz, que en la imagen bromea con un balón. Se medirán Holanda y Costa de Marfil.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 09:10:

Well, at least Colombia is represented A ref is better than nothing.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 15, 2006, 11:26:

You're right, G'man. We like to see a lot of scoring - the national motto should be "The best defense is a good offense." I played high school and club soccer for many years as well as coaching kids teams but I just can't watch soccer.

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Simon says on Jun 15, 2006, 17:12:

"A ref is better than nothing."

G-man, don't forget that Ecuador's coach is colombian! And that Shakira herself will sing before the World Cup Final, which just happens to be the most watched event on earth.

BTW, I also hope that Brasil doesn't win again, I think we have to give others a chance to win too.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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kernow62 says on Jun 15, 2006, 20:46:

G5 yes Ecuador is looking good in the group stages, but the really great teams do their best after the group stages. Sometimes it pays to come out of the group not in first place.

Wasn't it Paraguay we were arguing about the altitude being their ally not Ecuador?

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 15, 2006, 20:48:

Simon....you are %100 correct I forgot that she will be staring in the World Cup Final
I also forgot about Ecuador's coach being Colombian,,,,In fact, many people have sais that despite their talent, he is the mastermind behing their success.

Lastly, I would love to see another team besides Brazil win. And the way they have been playing, that certainly seems within the realm of possibility.

I still like Germany. They look solid, but that home (host) country advantage gives them an edge. I really don't believe that France was the favorite in 98 when they hosted and won.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 16, 2006, 08:28:

Three times....and I could not log in....and why? Because I was logging in as GomeXman instead of Gomezman. You all are giving me an idenity crisis.

That's Ok, Mexico will win today. (I hope). As to the score???...who cares?? Just as long as they win.

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kernow62 says on Jun 16, 2006, 08:47:

That is Argentina's second win. They are now the number 1 team in the World Cup.

They look like they might go all the way.

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kernow62 says on Jun 16, 2006, 21:49:

Mexico - Angola 0 - 0.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 16, 2006, 22:23:

Yes sir...Mexico played lousy...but look, when you lose players like Borgetti, and Fonseca, your 2 most powerfull strikers, and 2 of the best in the game, you are not going to win. Borgetti has been hurt, Fonseca got hurt the other day and he was thrown in the game even though he was injured. This team revolved around
Borgetti, and Fonseca, and one would have to be a fool to think that Marquez could make a respectable offensive showing without the other two players. There were some (not many)good shots, but you have to give credit to Angola's keeper for his solid performance. I of course think Sanchez has a great future, I just hope he get some more offense.

Interestingly enough, this tie was a big tie. It keeps their chances alive for moving to the second round.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 08:13:

Portugal 2 Iran 0
Was that a surprise? I think not. Portugal is sure to move on to the next round. Now Mexico will have to fight for the second position.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 13:14:

Some of the worst officiating I have ever seen Does anyone want to be me that the ref for the US Italy game is going to get blacklisted? What an idiot. I realize that they do not have the benefit of instant replay, but some of the calls he is making are beyond acceptable.

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Colombiche says on Jun 17, 2006, 13:24:

What's wrong with the referee????????? How can he get away with what he is doing??????? Somebody stop that man!!!!!!!

USA deserves to win this game all the way.

Let's go USA!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 13:33:

Did not say that....... I knew someone would come up with a remark like that. Colombiche, I have been watch this game all my life. I either been to or watched well over a thousand. That gives me a little knowledge doesn't it?

The the ref...not the line judges, the ref, is being way to conservative against BOTH TEAMS. That is obvious. I am not just talking about the Red Card. He is giving out yellow cards in instances that in the South American league would at the most be called a foul.

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vladimiro says on Jun 17, 2006, 13:58:

usa vs italy Americans should be grateful that Italy scored against itslef! That was an extremely lucky break. But from the announcers on ABC you get the impression that the US scored the goal:) Do you guys watch the American broadcasters or the Spanish? I had to change the channel from ABC to Univision the American broadcasters are so unsportman-like.

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Colombiche says on Jun 17, 2006, 14:04:

I don't care what you said Gomezman I said what I said, the fact that you have watched a zillion games doesn't change my opinion.

I said USA deserves to win, because given the big reputation that Italy had, they just couldn't score that second goal... come on.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jun 17, 2006, 14:14:

He he he Gringodiego See you guys, I am heading out to little Italy, I am going to wave the US flag around.

Nothing personal against the bambinos, I am just a natural born instigator, jijiji....

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 14:36:

Oh Sure Vladimiro ABC is so biased....sure they are. And I guess you fell asleep or never heard Univision when a Latin American team, especially Mexico is playing against any other team. No bias there is there?

Last I recall, ABC (American Broadcast Network)is an American network. So, uh excuse me, aren't they supposed to be biased?

I suppose Caracol is perfectly Neutral when the cover Colombia against other teams.The comments you comedians make on this site.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 17, 2006, 15:46:

What's with the Italians and being offside? Some of them weren't even close. Come on guys. I thought the first red card was deserved but the rest of it was nonsense.

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kernow62 says on Jun 17, 2006, 16:24:

Utopia you are correct. The first red card was deserved, the second should have been a yellow. However the fullback with the African name on the US team should have received about 5 yellow cards. He was hanging all over anyone he was marking. Italy were onside on several of those runs and had they been called properly likely would have scored on at least one of those runs.

Italy played like crap, the ref was a moron and the US was a little better but still poor and they had some good luck today. The US coach looks like he has a dildo up his ass too!

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 17, 2006, 16:52:

I thought that US guy deserved a yellow but a red at that point was too extreme. Give him a red later if he doesn't shape up. I agree that some of the offside calls were debatable but a lot of them were not. Italy was ridiculously offside a few times.

Ghana should send the US packing.

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vladimiro says on Jun 17, 2006, 17:53:

The technique was to foul the higher skilled Italians as soon as they crossed into the US half. Pope was yellow carded and faouled atleast 10 more times before red carded. He was not going to stop unless kicked out.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 18:10:

The first Red was an obvious one. It fell squarely within any set of rules because of the fact it appeared intentional and blood was drawn. But I agree with Kernow, as to the other two. The thing that makes these calls especially bad is that this is WC competition. You want to keep every focused, but a ref should think long and hard before he makes a fundimental change to a team that worked so hard to be where they are. In fact, in all my years, except when there was fight, I cannot remember the last time I saw 3 reds, even in friendly games where nothing was on the line.

Word coming back from ESPN is that this ref is from Uruguay and that in 2002 he was sanctioned for something he did and it was because of that sanction, he missed going to the Cup that year. I am sure that more will come out in the next day or so. I am curious. In all honesty, if this is true, with all the refs around the world, even taking into account the need for a fair share of Latinos, I have to believe they could have found someone more credible, and worthy of such an important honor.

As to Italy's and the US's play, I think you are being hard on both teams. What you did not mention, and I now will, is that the US actually did get 2 goals but for McBrides one foot on the edge that "obstructed" the goal keeper. That was a goal my man. I can assure you that about half of the refs would not have even called that one. So, give credit where it it's deserved.

The US doesn't have to pack its bags yet. If there is one thing that was proven in that division today, anything can happen on any given day. When the US got creamed by the Czechs, who would have thought they would even have had a chance against Italy? Nobody did. At the same time, since the Czechs did do so well against the US, who would have thought that Ghana would have had a chance against the Czechs? I can't say what will or will not happen, but anyone that thinks they have this division figured out, is just engaging in idle speculation. This division is wide open.

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kernow62 says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:13:

I wasn't being hard on both team, both teams played far below the level they should be playing at. The obstruction call was a good one, it is rare granted, but it was the proper call. I wouldn't like it if it was my team, but there you go.

The US plays using the hands a bit too much for my liking, perhaps that is the norm in CONCACAF but it is frowned upon in Europe.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 17, 2006, 21:44:

Kernow You may have a point about the hands. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that in Europe, the only game in town is soccer, but here in the US, when a young kid has the inclination to be a pro athelete, he invariably samples the sports around him, all of which require the able use of his hands. That said, once he finally settles on soccer, he has to learn to leave the hand out of the picture. Keep in mind however that several of the US soccer players play in the European leagues. A few I believe play in England so they may use the hand too much, but Europe still likes them.

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juancegomez says on Jun 17, 2006, 22:11:

I didn't expect the US to play rather well today... ...because I expected much more out of Italy, truth be told...but the fouls, cards and general animosity pretty much ruined the game itself.

Hopefully they both do better next time (although my personal sympathies almost have to lie with Ecuador by default, I guess, since it's the closest available substitute for Colombia this time around...and their coach is Colombian too).

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kernow62 says on Jun 18, 2006, 05:10:

G5 most of the American players in the UK play for lower teams, or play a position that using the hands is important. ;-) Those on the main teams are often the second string to use an Americanism. Now Manchester United's young study Rossi is from New Jersey, although he is Italian. He will make a fine player. Too bad he doesn't want to play for the US.

French players are far more popular in the UK, just shows when it comes to football we can put aside our differences.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 18, 2006, 20:48:

Good Point Gringodiego I think this is the best post you have made on this thread Gringo. All your "Considerings" says a lot. All these people who never can give the US credit for anything, would rather say that Italy played poorly than give the US credit for anything. Isn't it possible that the US happened to put on a fairly effective defense to the exent tha it complicated Italy's offensive drive. Italy, did not move the ball as well as they are know for. On the other hand, I still don't think that Italy has been able to replace the likes of the great striker, Christian Vieri.

All said however, I think that unfortunately, the US is going to have one hell of a hard time advancing. Their biggest problem is not only do they only have one point at this time, but of greater significance is that their GF GA ratio is very bad. (GF 1, GA 4)Even if the US defeats Ghana, (a tie will not work under any circumstances)the US still may not advance unless Italy beats the Czechs. If the Czechs beat Italy, the US will need to have scored a lot of goals against Ghana (which is unlikely since Ghana has only given up 2). Or Italy will have to give up a lot of Goals to the Czechs. (which is also unlikely)

My guess: Because that GF/GA ratio will haunt them, I think Italy and the Czechs move to the next round. Iran and the US, go home, or stick around to watch the games of their choosing.

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vladimiro says on Jun 18, 2006, 22:18:

The US played surprisingly well though they still have not scored a single goal, and I think they may leave the cup without scoring a single goal.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 19, 2006, 20:42:

El Norteno.......how right you are!! I agree. There are people that would rather see the game of soccer die before the the US becomes World Cup Champs. These people are so silly. What they can't seem to explain is how the US has come this far so fast. The US only qualified in 94 because it was the host country. since then, the US has been a very powerfull team to be respected. It has beaten the best of the best in competition and friendly matches. FIFA ranks them very high, including, uhhhhh (GOD forgive me for saying this) higher than Colombia. So they have come a long way in the development of their soccer program, and logic and common sense dictates that their day to win the Cup will come sooner than later.

I am sure of course, the day the win the Cup, a bunch of brain trusts on this site will assert that it was "fixed."

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Simon says on Jun 19, 2006, 21:05:

Yeah well, and one day Colombia will also win the cup.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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vladimiro says on Jun 19, 2006, 21:23:

Slogans on the team buses The winning slogans:
Angola - "Angola lead the way – our team is our people"
Argentina - "Get up, Argentina are on the move"
Australia - "Australia Socceroos – Bound for glory"
Brazil - "Vehicle monitored by 180 million Brazilian hearts"
Costa Rica- "Our army is the team, our weapon is the ball. Let's go to Germany and give it our all"
Côte d'Ivoire - "Come on the Elephants! Win the cup in style"
Croatia – "To the finals with fire in our hearts"
Czech Republic – "Belief and a lion's strength, for victory and our fans"
Ecuador – "Ecuador my life, football my passion, the cup my goal"
England - "One Nation, One Trophy, Eleven Lions"
France – "Liberté, egalité, Jules Rimet"
Germany - "For Germany, through Germany"
Iran - "Stars of Persia"
Italy – "Blue pride, Italy in our hearts"
Japan - "Light up your Samurai spirit!"
Korea Republic - "Never-ending legend, united Korea"
Ghana – "Go Black Stars, the stars of our world"
Mexico - "Aztec passion across the world"
Netherlands – "Oranje on the road to gold"
Paraguay – "From the heart of America... this is the Guarani spirit"
Poland – "White and red, dangerous and brave"
Portugal – "With a flag in the window and a nation on the pitch. Força Portugal"
Saudi Arabia - "The Green Hawks cannot be stopped"
Serbia and Montenegro - "For the love of the game"
Spain – "Spain. One country, one goal"
Switzerland – "2006, it's Swiss o'clock"
Sweden – "Fight! Show spirit! Come on! You have the support of everyone"
Togo – "A passion to win and a thirst to succeed"
Trinidad and Tobago - "Here come the Soca Warriors – the fighting spirit of the Caribbean"
Tunisia – "The Carthage Eagles... higher and stronger than ever"
Ukraine – "With our support, Ukraine cannot fail to win!"
USA - "United we play, United we win"

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 19, 2006, 22:21:

Simon.....honestly I would love to see Colombia win the Cup. In all honesty, at this point, I would rather see Colombia win the Cup before the US. Soccer is more of a national sport in Colombia than here in the US. If Colombia would win, the country would go......nuts and then some. Here in the states, with the Cubs 15 games out of first, clearly out of the penant race, they still would get more coverage than the the US would if they were to win the Cup.

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Simon says on Jun 19, 2006, 23:01:

OK, Gomez you're alright. I'm sorry if I was a bit hard on you in that other thread. Just be nice.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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gringolondinense says on Jun 20, 2006, 04:47:

England play tonight... gonna kick ass!

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 20, 2006, 09:56:

Thanks Simon We're OK. You know I have my way. I love Colombia, I'm just hard on her sometimes. But, I am hard on myself and the US as well. One thing I will say and I think you will agree with me about this and that is that Colombia has the worlds most beautiful, sexy, and sensual women. And I will believe that until the day I die.

Back to the Cup.

Well, as I posted above at least twice, people are totally underestimating German and the host country advantage. Based on the result so far, it appears I am correct. They slaughterd Ecuador. And I don't want to hear this nonsese that Ecuador played poorly. Germany was so effecive in preventing from putting on any kind of offense. They shut Ecuador down. Just look at the totals. On the other hand, let me offer this perspective, it was already predetermined that both Ecuador and Germany were advancing so they had nothing to lose. So keep your eyes on Germany.

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Simon says on Jun 20, 2006, 10:09:

Yeah, too bad that '94 team did not live up to its potential.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 20, 2006, 11:46:

Ok fine 94....but enough of 94 Look, we need to stop living in the past. In fact, I will go a step further, we need to look at 98. Why 98? Because 98 was the year that it was obvious that certain player should have never been on that team. Valderrama, Asprilla, and Rincon ???--come on, these guy were old. The problem that in Colombia is the same problem that has plaqued other Latin American teams. Instead of picking the best players, politics governed the selection proccess. In the case of Colombia, during the 80's and early 90s (especially 94)it was commonly believed that the mafiosos had a "say" in who represented was on Team Colombia. Let's look at Brazil. Why are they so great? And why have they consistently been a competitor? Because they start their players young and they pick their national teams based on performance and not politics.

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kernow62 says on Jun 20, 2006, 12:33:

Gomez wrote that because Ecuador and Germany are already through to the next round a win didn't matter.

Not quite correct, a German win means they play the second place team in the England group. I am positive Germany would rather play the Swedes than the English team. Likewise I am sure that England would rather play Ecuador, unless the weather is hot, in which case England better score often and early.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 20, 2006, 13:57:

Kernow....I agree with you I momentarily lost site of the fact that where you finish determines which team you will play in the second round. Good Point

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kernow62 says on Jun 20, 2006, 18:22:

I am disappointed, but the result was not a loss, so what can you say. I think England won the first half and Sweden the second half. England stopped attacking after each goal and that is not the way to play English football.

el norteño as I said lesser teams, no need to get my facts straight. Fulham finished 12th and Man City 15th. Manchester United has/had an American goalie, Tim Howard, so get your facts straight mate. You also left out Manchester United's Giuseppe Rossi who is well on his way to being a fantastic striker, he's from NJ.

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kernow62 says on Jun 20, 2006, 19:18:

Just for the record, it is a remarkable achievment for any American player to play in Europe whether a top team or not, especially those like Howard who were raised in the US. Imagine playing for a few thousand dollars a season in the MLS then being paid millions and playing for the most famous football team in the world Manchester United. You don't get on the team unless you are good, and it is only the fact that Van der Saar is a better goalie that keeps him from playing.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 20, 2006, 19:50:

Kernow... Real Madrid, and River Plate will give Manchester United a run for their money in terms of famous teams. Don't you think? The Chivas de Guadalajara or very famous too. They don't pay very well (Chivas) but they known world wide mainly for the requirement of having to be a Mexican to play for the team. If you are not Mexican, (natural born)you can play for the Chivas. None of this foreign born, fast track to citizenship stuff to play for the Chivas.

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kernow62 says on Jun 20, 2006, 20:37:

Of course Real Madrid, they are right up there with number of supporters worldwide with Man United, the other two are not in the same league. River Plate is a great team, but worldwide support pales in comparison to Real Madrid and Manchester United.

Real Madrid has a bigger budget than Manchester United now though, and so does Chelsea. That damn Yank that purchased the team is tight with his purse.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 20, 2006, 22:17:

A Yank purchased which team? Really? Which team Kernow? And how did/do the locals feel about a yankee owning the team?

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freddie says on Jun 21, 2006, 02:41:

wm2006 das war schon ganz gut.
i like german soccer very much.
jejeje
in the case of jürgen klinsmann i would live in colombia.

Bitter ist die Geduld, aber ihre Frucht ist süss

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kernow62 says on Jun 21, 2006, 04:23:

Manchester United was purchased by an American family, the supporters don't like it since he doesn't spend as much as the Russian who purchased Chelsea. The opposing team's supporters often chant USA, USA, USA now at Man United matches which doesn't help matters. Chelsea is now called Chelski.

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vladimiro says on Jun 21, 2006, 19:47:

Mexico vs. Portugal " This match will determine once and for all which nation is the greatest on earth: Mexico or Portugal! "

This Simpsons clip of Mexico vs. Portugal shows what Americans think of soccer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-E6weZIdG8&eurl=

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Simon says on Jun 21, 2006, 20:27:

"Imagine playing for a few thousand dollars a season in the MLS then being paid millions and playing for the most famous football team in the world Manchester United."


The most famous football team in the worlds is REAL MADRID, not 'Manchester United States'...whoops!

Gomez,

Who are these Chivas you speak of?

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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webmanco says on Jun 22, 2006, 09:41:

Maradona vs Ronaldinho

Click on the image to see the video

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Albatross says on Jun 22, 2006, 11:52:

R.I.P. United States How the hell did we lose to Ghana

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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kernow62 says on Jun 22, 2006, 13:10:

That wasn't really a penalty, but Ghana looked the better team. In fact they have looked good in all their matches. Just goes to show you that FIFA ranking the USA so highly is a joke when it all comes down to it.

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fugdis says on Jun 22, 2006, 15:43:

USA you was robbed That was no penalty! Never mind,there are worse things than not winning the world cup....like....er...choking on a taco...

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fugdis says on Jun 22, 2006, 16:01:

BBQ kat if its a bbq here then make sure your wearing a coat,hat,gloves and have your umbrella ready.I`ve put the heating on today its so bloody cold.

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kernow62 says on Jun 22, 2006, 16:05:

I would say, Spain before Italy. Germany cannot be counted out, home advantage means a lot. Brazil can never be counted out, although they aren't looking great. It would be nice to see Brazil and Ghana, it would be an open entertaining match.

Even though the US was robbed, I cannot really honestly say they looked very good in any match, mediocre at best. The player that got booked for the penalty had been fouling players since the first match, he should have been long gone before he had a chance to cause a penalty.

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fugdis says on Jun 22, 2006, 16:10:

kernow Whats a cornishman doing supporting man u?

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kernow62 says on Jun 22, 2006, 20:00:

Fugdis; my dad is from Cheshire, which is where I was actually born. Yes, I admit it, I am a halfbreed, half Cornish and half English, there I bloody said it are you happy now. G5, this is the guy we really wanted to buy the team.

New Man United owner.

Shite Mancunian accent.

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kernow62 says on Jun 22, 2006, 20:02:

PS: We don't have any football teams in Cornwall, and I aren't going to support Argyle.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 22, 2006, 21:29:

Kernow.... I agree with you that Ghana played very well in all three games. Ghana did soundly beat the Czechs too. The Czechs by most peoples thinking is a very good team and in the qualifying games, they earned their right to go to the cup hands down. Just check out their record in the prelims. You may not like FIFAs rating, but the win loss record is not subject to debate.

Look, you can put down FIFA's system all you want, but the reality of the situation is you can't judge the validity of FIFA's system based on three lousy games. The US choked. A few players did not come through. And a couple were missing. You left that part out didn't you?? The US played like a world class team for the past few years. They have proven that. Mexico has the same problem. Sure they did not play well. But they were missing some guy named Borgetti...the number one scorer in the CONCACAF conference. They were also missing Fonseca. Team Colombia would be in Germany right now, if they had just one of those two players. When i think back about all those games a year and a year and a half ago, when Colombia could not get a goal if their life depended on it, it irritates me. Colombia was so strange. They had one of the best defensive teams, but couldn't find a striker that was consistent. Fonseca probably would have given them that extra point that they needed. Borgetti definitely would have done so. I am amazed that Mexico was able to advance without those two. On the other hand, Saturday it's over. With Fonseca and Borgettti or without them, Argentina will beat them.

And here in Chicago, some fool doing the sports on the nightly news says: After the US's disappointing performance, "Everyone is calling for him to be fired." This guy would not know a soccer ball from a bowling ball, and he says crap like that. Arena, has been a terrific coach. He got them there. He put them on top of CONCACAF. In this guy would not know Arena if he ran into him head to head on the street.

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kernow62 says on Jun 23, 2006, 10:30:

Sure I can G5, FIFA is even changing the rankings. CONCACAF teams by virtue of playing more matches that are weighted will earn more points than a European team. That combined with the level of competition in CONCACAF will mean those teams are ranked higher. A more realistic ranking would be the EVO ranking.

You cannot honestly think that the US is better than many of the teams ranked below them? Certainly they could have performed better, so could the French, the Czechs, the English. I still think the USA is at best about 15th in the world, and at worst in the mid twenties.

Mexico should not be ranked as highly either. Some of the African teams should be ranked higher.

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kernow62 says on Jun 23, 2006, 10:48:

That's silly wanting to fire Arena, but that is what they do in sports.

I am not basing my opinion on the three world cup matches. I watched them play poorly in friendlies on US soil, and in some of their qualifying matches against easy opposition.

If I was basing it soley on the World Cup I would say quite a few teams were ranked too highly including England.

The US should have had lots of confidence going in based upon their 5th place world ranking, I think this perhaps made them overconfident. Although against the Czech Republic they just didn't look interested, perhaps resigning themselves to easy wins against lower ranked teams in the group.

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kernow62 says on Jun 23, 2006, 10:50:

By the way G5 I think Chelsea will be playing a match against the MLS All Stars in Chi-town. Don't miss it, it should be fun.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 23, 2006, 16:03:

How true how true, Kernow "I think this perhaps made them overconfident. Although against the Czech Republic they just didn't look interested, perhaps resigning themselves to easy wins against lower ranked teams in the group."

I was thinking that myself. I am not going to blame Arena. But damn it, they looked horrible against the Czechs. A bunch of idiots. They spent over 2 years to enable themselves to participate in the "Big show" and I swear they walked on that field and played like it was something they were entitled to. Even Donavan, in the last game against Ghana, he had that corner kick and the ball sailed over everyone and looped out of bounds way on the other side. There was no excuse for a player like him.

OK, maybe the ranksings aren't there. But if you think the US is somewhere between 15th and lower 20s, I can live with that. That still makes them a great team. But frankly, I think you are bein overly generous at this point. The way they played, except for the few moments when they looked like they were coming alive, I have to say I was unimpressed and would not even rank them 40th.

As to Mexico, let's see how they do against Arg. Miracles can happen. A guy in my office reminded me that on any given day, in any one game, surprises happen. I said that does not happen as much in soccer as it does in American sports because the game is so much more defense orientated. If you look who is moving on to the next round of 16, out of 8 groups, there is not one surprise as to who finished on top. If you and I had to pick the winners, we probably would have picked the teams that finished first and second, as the teams that actually finished there although not necessarily in the same order.

So far I think there have been so many great games. I have been glued to my set to see a whole lot of great action.

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platano says on Jun 24, 2006, 07:37:

In support of the lovely Desi... I'll be cheering for Sweden today! (I'm hoping for an exciting shoot out!)plátano

plátano

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kernow62 says on Jun 24, 2006, 07:46:

I am cheering for Sweden too, but I think England would rather face Germany if England gets past Ecuador, than face Sweden again.

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Miguel says on Jun 24, 2006, 08:21:

Mods... Can you please make this thread sticky until the World Cup is completed?

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 24, 2006, 13:33:

Kernow You did not cheer for Sweeden hard enough. But, as I have been saying since the earlest post on this thread that I started. Germany...Germany...Germany. Are you guys listening to the G5?

Germany is the team to beat and NOT Brazil. They knocked Sweden on their Asses today. They played nothing short of terrific!They dominated Sweden in every way. Check the stats.

SHOTS: Germany 26 Sweden 5
SHOTS ON GOAL: Germany 11 Sweden 2
POSSESSION: German %63 Sweden %37

Enough said!!!

Host country advantage, technical skills, and size make them an awesome power to contend with.

One more thing....Mexico is playing very well today. Sorry buddy, you can knock Mexico and the FIFA ratings all you want, but today, they are playing as well as the best of them. Of course they are playing well, THEY ARE one of the best teams in the world, especially when Borgetti plays.BTW, you keep telling me how much better the South American teams are than the North American teams. I would say that applies in general. But that in no way applies to Mexico. You want proof? 2001, the Copa American games were played in Colombia. That is a South American enterprise. Who managed to play, and in fact beat every South American team, and go all the way to the final game against Colombia? Try Mexico. So tell me Mexico is not as good as South American teams. You are right. They're better than most South American teams. They still might lose to Argentina, but......I am sure, Argentina WILL NOT have an easy time today

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kernow62 says on Jun 24, 2006, 15:10:

Gomez you are not telling anyone anything new. Of course Germany has an advantage, that isn't a revelation. It also was a great advantage playing a man up, but by that time the damage had been done. The referees are still ruining this World Cup, there is no way the Swede should have received two yellow cards.

Mexico was one of my picks so there again not any great surprise. I still think their ranking is high, I would put them around 10th in the world. They elevated their game today that's for sure. I was rooting for them to beat Argentina.

Are you predicting a German win over Argentina? That will be another great match.

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vladimiro says on Jun 24, 2006, 15:50:

"Who managed to play, and in fact beat every South American team, and go all the way to the final game against Colombia? Try Mexico."

Actually, Argentina did not participated in the 2001 Copa America in Colombia due to security concerns, but Mexico has been good ever since I can remember.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 24, 2006, 16:10:

hold on now......Kernow and Vladimiro Kernow....a few posts ago you said that they should now be ranked as high as FIFA ranks them. Now you are putting them at tenth. Hey, FIFA only put them a few spots higher. I'll say this, when you consider how many teams are ranked. What difference does it really make if you are ranked 6th or 10th. Nothing I would say. Either ranking is a far cry from a majority of the South American teams that don't even come close....including Colombia, which last time I checked, ranked in the high 30s..like 38 or so. The only teams in South America that rival Mexico are Argentina, Brazil, and Ecuado and ....consequently, they are all still alive in the WC competition. That said, I think the WC in the end really is fairly representative of how good the teams are.

RE Germany. My point is a simple won. Most people at the begining of this thread only talked up Latin American countries as probable winners. I was the only won, I believe that said, that I am going with Germany from the begining. Germany is a better team than Brazil. Germany has played better than Brazil as well
Vladimiro. I did not forget that Argentina did not attend because of security concerns. How could I forget that. That made an already nasty rivalry between Colombia and Argentina even more nasty. It was a real slap in the face to Colombia.

However, the fact that Argentina did not attend is unimportant for my point. My point was that i am tired of reading people on this site always saying that Mexico is not as good as your South American teams. Hence, the fact that they beat every other South American team BUT Colombia, is clearly indicative of the fact that they were at that time, and still are to this day, better than 75% of your South American teams, including Colombia. Your point was brought out by everyone to me when I bragged about the fact that Colombia won the Copa America. Many people, including other Colombians here in Chicago, said well "They really only won because Argentina did not participate, because had they of done so, Argentian would have won the Copa American. I argued maybe so, but since Argentina did not pariticipate, you have to go with what you got."

My Prediction: Germany beats Argentina. Score? who knows. But Germany wins, amd I hope they do.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 24, 2006, 16:59:

Toneloc...your confusing something You are confusing FIFA rankings with the Word Cup competition. Hey after all is said and done, the rankings are fairly representative in the World Cup. You are asking one organizaiton that oversees the ENTIRE WORLD, to be perfectly accurate as to who makes the final games in WC competition. Don't you think you are asking a bit too much? Have you watched baseball, football, and basketbal in the US? Does the best teams always make the final cut? With the exception of George Steinbrenner's Yankees, how many times have the best teams gotten knocked out early in post season competition. It's called an upset. Upsets happen all the time. I don't think you have been watching the competition. Both the Czechs and Mexico have had key players injured. Today Mexico played with a full squad for the first time since they arrived in Germany. They were missing one of the best striker in the world...Jared borgetti. So Mexico #4 got beat by Argentina # 9. They did not get beat by a 25 or 40th ranked team. Are you suggesting that the final games should be played only be the top ranked teams?

In any one game, on any given day, a team loses, no matter how good you may be. Stop counting the team that got knocked out, and start counting the teams that are remaining and you will find that the teams that are left, are all ranked fairly high in FIFA's ranking system. How about in Baseball when the wild card team come along and beats the first place team and then goes on to win the world series. That happened a couple a years ago. REmember that? Are you going to say that they should not have won the world series because the team won 20 fewer games during the regular season?

Now....about the highly ranked FIFA teams that did not participate. Well, that has do to with a bit of politics. Look, if we used your argument that the best teams did not participate, then there would be no balance at the World cup. The spread of 32 teams would be almost entirely made up of European, South American, teams along with the US and Mexico. Every league is allowed a certain amount of teams. I was really surprised that Nigeria and Cameroon were not there. The only people I know that follow those leagues here in Chicago are the young Cab drivers that come from those countries. I remember when Nigerina participated in France.....8 years ago, (I think that was the one) and taxis were virtually unavailable. funny. Anyway, they are great teams.
They are certainly better than Saudi Arabia, and Iran.

Look, if you want it to truely to be a world cup like competition, you have to include the world. The ranking show that the best teams don't always participating, but to say that there is no relationship between the rankings and who is participating in the World cup competition, is just not accurate.

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kernow62 says on Jun 24, 2006, 17:11:

Here's what Jurgen Klinsmann thinks of FIFA rankings.

You can't rank on US, Mexico to make last eight

Posted: 10/06/2006, 12:18:57

If FIFA rankings are right, five-time champions Brazil will face the Czech Republic in the World Cup final while the Dutch and Mexico will be in the last four.

According to football's world governing body, they are the top four teams in the world.

While few would argue with Brazil's pre-eminence, the placing of the United States as the fifth best side on the planet has caused outrage and guffaws in equal measure.

"The rankings are a joke," said Jurgen Klinsmann, the coach of three-time champions Germany who are 19th in the table, embarrassingly two spots behind Egypt, the African champions.

Klinsmann was outraged last year when Germany dropped to 20th and he insisted that as World Cup hosts, and condemned to play friendlies for two years, they should have been taken out of the system.

Non-competitive clashes carry less weight than tournament qualifiers when points are worked out.

"The World Cup hosts should be taken out altogether. I would say that we are among the top six or eight teams in the world," Klinsmann said.

It won't have improved his mood to see the United States are now at a highest-ever number five, ahead of Spain and Portugal.

Former world champions France are eighth; Greece, the European champions, who failed to qualify for the World Cup finals, are down in 20th.

The FIFA system was introduced in 1993 and the computer program to calculate the rankings was devised by Swiss academics and football fans Markus Lamprecht and Dr Hanspeter Stamm.

But once the World Cup ends on July 9, FIFA say they will tweak the system to make it fairer.

The bookmakers haven't much time for the system.

They rate the USA as an 80-1 chance to win the World Cup, making them 11th on the list which is headed by Brazil at 9-4, England at 6-1, Germany at 7-1, Argentina at 8-1 and Italy at 9-1.
Ranking 'justified'

Current American squad member Brian McBride believes the USA's number five ranking justifies their success in the CONCACAF area where they play.

"It shows we've done well in the region," the striker said.

"But we don't take stock of the rankings because that's not what our goal is."

Some American players believe, however, that they should even be ranked above Mexico, who were seeded in the draw for Germany.

That decision was taken despite the USA winning eight of their last nine meetings with their neighbours and finishing first in CONCACAF qualifying for the finals.

"FIFA claim their rankings are done by computer, that they have a formula which takes into account each country's results, strength of opponent and the competitiveness of every fixture," skipper Claudio Reyna said.

"Well, if that is the case, why didn't they use them for the draw?"

Despite Reyna's and Klinsmann's reservations, it could be worse.

According to FIFA, tiny American Samoa are the most inept team in the world, propping up the rankings table at number 205.

For once, they may have it right.

Back in 2001, America Samoa suffered a world record 31-0 defeat to Australia.

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platano says on Jun 24, 2006, 18:31:

The predictions of a green banana... Ecuador is going to beat England. Remember Ecuador has a Colombian coach.
Ghana is going to defeat Brazil. This will be a big upset. ¡Viva Africa!plátano

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 24, 2006, 19:37:

Please Kernow Think about this:

And you will have a hard time countering this comment.

IF THE FIFA RATINGS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE INDICATIVE OF WORLD CUP PERFORMANCE, THAN WE WOULD NOT NEED TO HAVE A WORLD CUP PERIOD

Now do reread my thread, and you will have the above comment explained fully. The World Cup is NOT supposed to be a carbon copy or a proof positive of FIFA's ratings. Anymore than the team who wins the Super Bowl is supposed to be the team with the best record in the NFL. Or the team that wins the league championships in Baseball is supposed to be the best team in the league. Sometimes it happens, many times it does not. Remember all those years that the Atlanta Braves was the best team in the baseball? They were the ONLY team with three 20 game winners in one year. Now, can you tell me how many times they won the World Series? This is sports man, not physics where the rules are hard and fast. Things happens.

Injuries. Good grief man. Do you really think that missing one player is just missing one player? Is it that simple? Wrong....far from it. I follow Mexico more than Colombia. Mexico is a phenomenal team. And Jared Borgetti is the gel that makes that team play well. When I heard he was out, I knew Mexico was in trouble. And, I was right on target. Mexico played their best game today. They also played a team that was easily better than any team they have thus far played. Today you saw the real Mexico. And, the difference was one mistake, that Argentina capitalized in extra time. Does that make Argentina a better team? I don't think so. I think they are about even. And guess what? So does FIFA. Again look at their rankings. Mexico 4, and Argentina 9. So are you suggesting that the rankings are unreliable because the 9th ranked team beat the 4th ranked team? Give me a break. 4th and 9th are statistically equal in the overall scheme of things. And the fact that the game played out today the way that it did only substantiates FIFA's rankings, it does not call them into question.

And Kernow, lastly, can you give me some insight as to why British Hooligans, (a few hundred) started getting violent, which included tossing chairs at Germans after their victory today? What the hell motivates these guys to go all the way to Germany to get violent at the world's greatest sports spectacle. That is really tragic.

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Simon says on Jun 24, 2006, 21:43:

GRACIAS ARGENTINA!!! Thank God that Argentina knocked out those pompous, overrated mexicans! If you watch the spanish channels' coverage of Mexico, you'd think they were talking about some great team that has won many World Cups (like Brasil). I'm glad that they can stop trying to shove their mexican team down all our throats.


Mexico and the USA are both highly OVERRATED as was evidencded by their performances, the USA loses to the world cup first-timers Ghana and Mexico can only tie with Angola?

And these are supposed to the fourth and fifth best teams in the world? Who the hell are the FIFA Ranking trying to fool?


"South American teams ARE stronger than those of the USA and Central America, where Mexico racks up points. The FIFA has highly overrated the USA, meaning Mexico's ranking is just as bogus. Then there's Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatamala.... Yeah, real football powers there."


Now this is a smart man right here!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 25, 2006, 00:38:

GringoD See Below

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 25, 2006, 00:38:

GringoD Shot at Kernow? hardly. Not true at all. I am curious about this entire concept of hooliganism in the first place....and by the way, so are a lot of Americans. At least in this country, to the extent that people go nuts and do damage, first of all, it's not to other people, it's to property, however at least they wait until an actual championship is won. England has not won anything of substance yet, so explain to me, why do they engage in this kind of crap? I know Kernow does not support it. But he can explain it to me better than anyone else I know (on this site or otherwise).


Look GringoD, for your info, this story has been on every single major news outlet on the internet. Try this on msnbc:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13513578/

or Sports illustrated:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/soccer/specials/world_cup/2006/06/23/bc.eu.spt.soc.wcup.english.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

This is news worthy. But if you want to be goofy enough to imply that I am taking a shot a Kernow, that's your right.

Gringodiego, I don't mind you quoting me, just don't misquote me or take what I said out of context. It only destroys your credibility which in my eyes, based on your posts throughout this thread does not add up to much. I never said that the home country advantage makes up for the 19th posistion. If you would exercise your mind a bit and read my above post, I said very clearly in at least 2 posts, that the ranking one has with FIFA, does not guarantee that you will place correspondingly at the Cup. I said there is a relationship between those teams that are ranked high, and those that have advanced. I clearly stated that Argentina's position and Mexcio's are from a statistical perspecitve, fairly even. That being said, you will not find anything that I posted that said that 19th ranked Germany, should move to be ranked # 1 because I think they will win the Cup. I thin you are fail to recogniwze what the Cup is all about. As far as I am concerned, the if Germany's rank is 19, then that is what it is. But, Germany has been playing extremely well since the Cup games began. Her wins have been convincing and the one today was a massacre. I don't think Germany would have played so well if the games were elsewhere. Competitive yes. But not to this degree. I guess you forgot France in 98. France clearly played better than it was ranked. There is not any clear thinking person that I know that would say that Frances winning in 98 had nothing to do with the fact that France was the hosting country. I'll prove my point even further. For all of the great talk about Argentina and Brazil, history is on my side. Need I remind you that a South American team has NEVER won the cup when it was played in Europe. That's just for your info.

Look Gringo, if you can't understand what I write, than you sir might be the one drinking too much Stout, not me. Read my posts when you sober up. You might even write something intelligent instead of your silly one liners that only view has comical.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 25, 2006, 01:56:

thank you plátano, kernow for your support. It was a sad day for Swedish football but hardly a surprise. Dame Fortune was not smiling upon us when she threw the home team on our way at the knock-out phase.

BTW: Happy Midsommar to everybody. Feliz Solsticio de Verano para todos

Cheers,
Desi

Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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kernow62 says on Jun 25, 2006, 04:06:

G5 I am lost by your argument. In past posts you have gloated that Mexico and the USA were ranked highly by FIFA. In the same posts and this post I have said that FIFA rankings are a joke and not an indication of which team is the best. Now you seem to agree with me.

As for hooligans I cannot explain it, it is a cultural thing for sure, and fighting is part of life in much of the UK if you are a young lad. I will say that other European countries have their share of hooligans too but they do not get covered by the press as often.

There is a simple reason why Germany is ranked 19th. the world cup host does not have to play qualifying matches, since these matches are weighted heavily by FIFA the lack of matches will of course adversely affect the rankings. Similarly teams that play a lot of qualifiers will move up disproportionately. It is maths, it is flawed, blame the Swiss. By the way Germany was not playing that well either before the World Cup.

Obviously the winner of the World Cup might not be the best team in the world, everyone knows this, they might have been lucky in a match or two, the refs may have ruined the match for their opponent, an injury may have silenced a threat, and luck plays a part, as well as being the host nation.

That is what keeps football fans arguing throughout the years. Who is the best team in the world. The answer....

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 25, 2006, 08:52:

Kernow...I'll try to clarify a bit I do agree with you in part. But I disagree in part. This is one of those things that is easier talked about than debated on a thread. You have told me over and over again that the FIFA ratings were unreliable. I have, and continued to disagree. I believe they are very reliable, but who finished in the last rounds of 16 or 8, does not neceesarily always correlate with who are the very best teams according to FIFA"s ratings. Nor should it be that way. You even can have the situation where a lower ranked team beats a higher one as in the case of Arg and Mex. Ah..this arguement is silly. I think we both agree a little with what each other is saying. No problem

As to England and the Hooliganism, I think that American people, as a rule think of British people as more civil, polite, ....like diplomats if you will. Therefore, it just does not fit into the perception that people have of the British. It runs agains the grain. On the other hand, they have never seen these guys with their roudy ways in House of Commons. These guys really get to be down right mean..rude at a minimum.

And you're right, this will keep people arguing who is the best team in the world.....for many years to come...certainly well after the time you and I leave this earth.

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kernow62 says on Jun 25, 2006, 08:59:

By the way you are leaving the earth before me. ;-)

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Miguel says on Jun 25, 2006, 11:22:

Ecuador/England Good match, although being a "sí se puede" believer, I was disappointed with the result; yet Beckham is a money player and proved that again today.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 25, 2006, 11:48:

OK....sorry GringoD for misunderstanding your intentions Sometimes the impersonal nature of the internet can cause one to misunderstand someone elses humor. I just thought you were ragging on me a bit here. Hey, I get it so much here, sometimes it's hard to tell who is kidding me and who is not.

Anyway.....all is well. And thanks for explaining you true intentions.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 25, 2006, 11:50:

You are right Miguel !! G5

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 25, 2006, 11:53:

You are right Miguel !! I could look at Beckham's shot again and again, and cannot help marvel at his skill. That shot, with the spin, and angle that he was able to place on the ball, would have gotten by any goal keeper. He really demonstrated his worth. Also, he showe how contrary to what most Americans may think, soccer is a lot more than than merely kicking a ball in a net.

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Miguel says on Jun 25, 2006, 12:07:

G5 That match was very tight and well played, but when Beckham was allowed the chance, I just got that feeling that he was going to "Bend It Like Beckham".

Trite but true.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 25, 2006, 13:01:

Miguel Well, the expression may be trite, but so is this one, "If the shoe fits, wear it." And Beckham sure wears, and uses those shoes quite well.

By your point is exactly what the Announcers on ABC said. He lays low, they play their game tight, and then when it's time and the opportunity is right, they (Beckham) capitalizes on it. I guess in this case the shoot for quality over quantity.

Speaking of ABC, these guys are terrible. My friend who does not know a word of Spanish (he is German) said he may not understand what they are saying, but he feels so much more a part of the action listening to Univision over ABC. I have to admit, I never thought that I would listen to a sports broadcast where the commentator sounded more exciting than the play by play guy. ABC should be ashamed of themselves for putting this guy in there to cover the action. He almost puts you to sleep.

In meantime, Port and Ned.....is a terrific game. Just what you expect in WC action minus the antics. In my opinion, Portugal plays overly aggressive, bordering on unsportsmanlike. I felt that way during their game with Mexico, and I am sure of it after watching them today.

Anyway I keep saying some day I will have to go to one, and then I realize I saw 2 games already in 94 when they played in Chicago. But its funny, when they play in your own city, it does not seem like it's a World Cup game. In other words, there was nothing that special about it. Part of going to a World Cup is visiting a country you have not been to, and taking in the locals, as well as doing some touring

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Miguel says on Jun 25, 2006, 20:13:

ABC/Univision commentators On the first day of the World Cup, I was channel surfing between the English and Spanish feeds, but the Spanish pbp guys were so much better that I have stayed with Univision ever since.

Portugal and the "tulipantes"...that one looked more like a rugby match!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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platano says on Jun 26, 2006, 08:09:

To whom it may concern.... I am hereby cancelling my membership in the League of Green Banana Soccer Predictors. Every prediction I have made for an upset has bombed. Why were my predictions upsets? Because they went against the FIFA rankings. And, since there were no upsets, that pretty much validates what G5 has been saying about the rankings. My hat's off to you G5. You know your stuff.

Now that I have cancelled my membership in the League of Green Banana Soccer Predictors the stage is set. Just to make me look bad one more time, one of my predictions might come true: Ghana defeating Brazil. plátano

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 26, 2006, 08:56:

Thanks Platano....but I hate to see you lose at the expense of me being right....especially if there was any $$ involved. Your recognition of my contention is most appreciated. It comes at a cost sometimes however. Everytime one person agrees with what something that I write, a half a dozen people come on here and attack me personally. But that's ok. You're a person that commands a lot of respect around here, so any time you are in my corner, that carries more weight than many others combined.

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Miguel says on Jun 26, 2006, 09:08:

1T ITA AUS Italy missed some great opportunities and that Aussie goalie must be part kangaroo.

Pedro en Perth...¿estás?

¡Uff! RED CARD! ¡me voy!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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platano says on Jun 26, 2006, 09:11:

Tu tranquis, G5... no money was involved... what is happening is I'm following my heart and my heart wants Ghana to win. I mean Brazil has already won enough times. I want to see Africa elevated in world standings. Viva Africa!plátano

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 26, 2006, 09:31:

Ghana ?? maybe? How about the Aussies? At the 66 minute, the Aussies have certainly been holding their own. Keep in mind that this is Australia's first appearance in 32 years. Also, they were one of the last teams to qualify when they beat Uruguay in a Penalty shoot out last November. It really would be one of the best surprises of the Cup to see Australia advance.

As to Ghana, they have played well. However, keep in mind that their their division as a group, did not play very well. The US, and the Czechs did not perform to everyone's expectations either. Probably the same can be said of Italy. If the Aussies do defeat Italy, Italy will have some work to do because the certainly are not playing at the level they played when they had Christian Vieri making his mark. At the same time, Del Piero looks like only half the player he used to play. He reminds me of a Colombia's Carlos "El Pibe" Valderrama, a guy who played at least one World Cup too many. Even the great ones have to know when it's time to "get out".

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Miguel says on Jun 26, 2006, 09:52:

El Pibe He is still making long bucks for those Miller Lite commercials airing on the Spanish broadcast feeds of "La Copa". Good for him!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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Miguel says on Jun 26, 2006, 09:55:

WOW What about that winning kick for Italy? Zagarise must be shi~~ting his pants!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 26, 2006, 10:09:

I don't know....... I DO NOT think that a penalty kick was warranted. I did not see the infraction as being one that was flagrant and intentional, and thus warranting a Penalty kick.....

I was really hoping the Aussies would pull of an upset. By the way, where are all of our Aussie members these days?

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Simon says on Jun 26, 2006, 10:51:

AUSTRALIA WAS ROBBED!!!! That was not a penalty!!! Australia was completely robbed by that piece of s# at $ referee!! I knew something like this was going to happen. That's what happens when 'small' teams like Australia and Ecuador play against the 'big' teams and FIFA darlings such as England and Italy. I think that Australia played much better than the italians who looked pretty weak and are in no way a championship caliber team. I really don't know what the italians were celebrating after that match, they know they did not beat Australia. They should feel ashamed for winning in such a cheap way.

That foul that lead to Beckham's goal was also a fabrication by the referee. We have to keep in mind that there's a lot at stake in FIFA for the 'favorites' to advance (ie. ratings), so the little, unknown teams really have to play against two opponents...the other team and the ref!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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kernow62 says on Jun 26, 2006, 11:05:

Simon there were several calls against England thaat shouldn't have led to Ecuador free kicks. They just didn't get the ball in the net.

I am just glad Ecuador didn't play as well as I thought they would. England is still not looking good, but given the temperature they did reasonably well and will advance.

I think England can beat Portugal, if Portugal doesn't kick the shit out of them.

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 26, 2006, 11:15:

I agree with Simon %100 At this point, I don't know what to think regarding the officiating. There certainly seems to be a bias going on here. And it could very well be that FIFA has their darling teams that they have an interest in protecting. If that is the case.....damn. I was really pulling for the Aussies. I do think they could have been a bit more aggressive in the last 10 minutes. It almost seems as if they had a bit of a confidence problem. But in the end, once again, it was bad officiating that had the game stolen from them

Look, in a game like this, absent the most obvious and flagrant of fouls that the whole world could agree on, you don't stop a game and award a penalty kick when you are looking at teams that literally took years to get to that point, and so much is now on the line. At that distance, the probability of a guy scoring on a penalty kick is at least 50-50. This to me seems like the biggest injustice and I think this decision by the ref is should be subject to a whole lot of scrutiny. I am really pissed. I feel so sad for those poor players who are no doubt feeling exactly what Simon said:ROBBED

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Albatross says on Jun 26, 2006, 11:35:

Kernow "I think England can beat Portugal, if Portugal doesn't kick the shit out of them."

Sounds like something Yogi Berra would say.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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platano says on Jun 27, 2006, 14:38:

I resigned the League of Green Banana Soccer Predictors... and just in time!

I, like, totally, didn't expect France to beat Spain, dude!plátano

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 27, 2006, 14:51:

Oh well....Bye bye Spain .....Italy, I hope you're next I doubt many here wanted France to beat Spain, but frankly I didn't care much either way. As far as I am concerned, they are both a bunch of arrogant SOB's and I would love nothing more than to see Brazil beat them (France)in the next round. I really don't want to see Brazil win the whole thing, but.....for the purpose of getting France out, I hope they will be victorious.

Ukrania has played well. They are another under rated team coming into the competition. They were one of the best teams in all of the qualifying competition in Europe. I would love to see them beat Italy, after the way Italy stole that game from Australia.

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Miguel says on Jun 28, 2006, 09:06:

jijiji G5 ¡Buen dicho!

"As far as I am concerned, they are both a bunch of arrogant SOB's"

How about Ronaldo's footwork on that record setting goal?

Argentina versus Germany is going to be intense, to say the least!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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kernow62 says on Jun 28, 2006, 14:18:

I am so happy that France beat Spain. I am sorry Henry took a dive to do it, especially as he is not a player who normally dives.

I think Germany will beat Argentina, Brazil will beat France perhaps, England will beat Portugal who the hell else is in the tournament, I forgot the rest.

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platano says on Jun 28, 2006, 14:53:

OK, so now it looks like the final four will be... Italy, Portugal, Brazil and Argentina according to the discredited League of Green Banana Soccer Predictors.plátano

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 28, 2006, 20:34:

Kernow....you and I are in agreement GER over ARG
BRA over FRA
ENG over POR

and lastly, and this was the match you left out Kernow

UKR over ITA

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platano says on Jun 29, 2006, 07:22:

If anyone could do it, it would be G5! Set a record, I mean. Have we set a record with this thread? 267? Is that a record? Congratulations, G5, for starting a "rincor"-free topic, even though my predictions have been horribly off. I have enjoyed everyone's comments on FIFA.

I'm going now with the "romance-language" countries (Italy, Portugal, Argentina) and Brazil. Since Africa is out, South America is "in" for me.

Though I like jokes about Argentina, I really do admire the Argentinian people. Like Colombia I think they get a bad rap and people exaggerate when Argentina is involved (which is why the jokes can happen).

Anyway, thanks, G5!

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 29, 2006, 07:45:

robi666 and Platano Robi

Have you decided to join the group of people who like to take peoples words out of context? Some agenda here? It should be obvious to the all, that the no insults applied to "the PBH posters" not the teams? Or perhaps you missed that? Hmmmm

Platano
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I was wondering what the longest thread was? I wonder if Peter would have a record of such things. I don't think we are there yet, but I would bet we are far. Hell, we should just keep this thread alive even after the Cup is over just to make sure that it is the longest. That should be easy to do. I'll I have to do is drop one of my "one liners" and I can keep the thread going until Christmas.

As to your predictions, it is not too often that kernow and I are all on the same page. But, I will go with his choices.

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platano says on Jun 29, 2006, 08:36:

Thanks, G5! My predictions so far have turned out to be "anti-predictions"... I say Cote d'Ivoire will win and they lose. I say Ghana will win and they lose.

Oh, and I realize France is a "romance-language" country, oui, oui, but I go with Brazil because it is closer to Colombia. (small insight into how the mind of a green banana works! Brazil grows more green bananas than France.) ... Otherwise I go with the romance countries.

My predictions for the final four: Argentina, Brazil, Portugal, Italy.

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 30, 2006, 07:50:

Germany Argentina Germany's 10 goals in just 4 games is most impressive. Oddly enough, Argentina also has 10 goals. Can Germany's Klose be stopped? Argentina's midfielder Riquelme is a reliable play maker that really makes things happen. However, too much concentraion on him, could work to the detrement of the overall defense,and therefore make it easier for people like Crespo to score.

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platano says on Jun 30, 2006, 10:48:

League of Green Banana Soccer Predictors fails again! In fact, the predictions seem to be anti-predictions that are almost 100% accurate.

But it would be highly unlikely that all four romance-language teams will lose. Argentina may be out but there is still Brazil, Portugal, and Italy.

plátano

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juancegomez says on Jun 30, 2006, 10:49:

Germany won... ...although Argentina played better overall, but not effectively enough to score. The "Argies" apparently can't handle penalty kicks under pressure.

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Miguel says on Jun 30, 2006, 10:51:

Great match... Horribe post-match antics.

¡Viva Brasil!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jun 30, 2006, 10:54:

or rather they did have some extremely bad luck when their regular goalkeeper was injured and his place was taken by that relatively untried suppleant. He looked scared all the time even if he was trying to look tough.

I agree: Argentina played better football, was a better team. My heart bleeds for Hernan Crespo and all the handsome, long-haired descendants of the gauchos. They looked good on the field today, even at defeat.

Cheers,
Desi

Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Gomezman5 says on Jun 30, 2006, 11:03:

In the meantime......I called it. Before the match began, I posted, "Can Klose be stopped?"

I guess not. He scored Germany's only goal during regulation play. Without his goal, everything afterwards would not have occured.

Now I pick UKR over ITA

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el hijuepu says on Jun 30, 2006, 17:26:

Forca Portugal Portugal is the most deserving team. They are playing with the most heart out of all of the teams. Maybe because they are the only team in the quarterfinals who never won a World Cup.. Scolari is the best coach out there!

Go Portugal!

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platano says on Jun 30, 2006, 21:30:

I agree with you el hijuepu... Of the three remaining romance-language teams my support now shifts to Portugal. I would love to see a team win who has never won the World Cup before.

Go Portugal!

plátano

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webmanco says on Jul 1, 2006, 07:39:

Street Soccer Tournament in honor of Andres Escobar, Germany

Street Soccer Tournament


Colombia será protagonista en la última semana del Mundial con el torneo de Fútbol Callejero

El ahora tradicional Mundial de Fútbol Callejero se abrirá el domingo en Alemania con una ceremonia en honor al colombiano Andrés Escobar.

Colombia tendrá su parcela de protagonismo en la última semana del Mundial de la Fifa a través del otro torneo planetario, el de Fútbol Callejero, nacido de la conmoción por el asesinato de Andrés Escobar, tras el autogol en el Estados Unidos 94.

Forman, en su conjunto, un mapamundi de proyectos sociales, surgidos como un milagro en zonas minadas por guerras, pobreza, la marginalidad o el racismo y competirán bajo el símbolo del fútbol por la paz en una cancha de Kreuzberg.

Será un Mundial en las antípodas del multimillonario torneo de la Fifa, pero que refleja como éste la pasión universal y el lenguaje común del fútbol.

Su artífice es Juergen Grisbeck, quien fundó la red Streetfootballworld bajo el impacto del asesinato del internacional colombiano Escobar, el 2 de julio de 1994, del que el domingo se cumplen 12 años.

Se trata del primer Mundial de Fútbol Callejero paralelo al de la Fifa, impulsado por Grinsbeck, con el apoyo del Gobierno alemán y arropado por el seleccionador J~rgen Klinsmann.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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platano says on Jul 1, 2006, 10:48:

GO PORTUGAL! For the first time I can now say what G5 usually says: "I called it!"

¡Viva Portugal!

plátano

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 1, 2006, 11:12:

Nato, I thought you'd be devastated after this match. I was cheering for Portugal from the start and once for all, I think my siding with a team didn't bring them bad luck. It's good to see great favorites like England go down and a relative underdog like Portugal advance to semifinals, without all that hullabaloo and huge ego stars like Beckham and Rooney.
Go Portugal!

(Wouldn't it be nice to have a final between Portugal and Brasil?)

Cheers,
Desi

Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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freddie says on Jul 1, 2006, 12:22:

we have jens lehmann si si si,

Bitter ist die Geduld, aber ihre Frucht ist süss

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 1, 2006, 14:09:

Platano....About my picks Picks. At this stage of the Cup, they are just that....Picks. The teams are about all of the same quality in all respects. That being said, it all boils down to how well these teams are going to play on that day.

England ought to banish Rooney from the team. Fine him at a minimum. Or make him sing something stupid,,,,,about how stupid he is. It's one thing to be beaten. It's quite another to beat yourself because of your stupid actions. There was no better example of a Red card than that one. There was no justification for that and I have to believe that the Hooligans are going to be looking for him.

France....well what can be said. Brazil played well. France played better. They were aggresive. And they captialized on a great opportunity. Zhadan, Henry, and the goal keeper were first class. On don't think Brazil played poorly. France put up an awsome defense that stopped Brazil in their tracks

On the other hand, where is the Cup being played? And how many times has a South American ten won the Cup in Europe? Enough said. History repeats itself. South American teams just can't quite get it together when they are playing on that continent. Well, maybe next time. At least they will be playing on neutral turf.

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platano says on Jul 1, 2006, 14:45:

G5, at this point I would like the final game to be between.... Italy and Portugal... and I am cheering for Portugal to win their first ever World Cup!

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 1, 2006, 15:09:

Platano...Italy over Germany???? I'll take that bet. I'll take Germany. In fact, 3 of the last 4 of my predictions were wrong. But I have picked Germany all along, and I picked Germany to go all the way early on. (Remember my host country advantage diatribe?)

I'll stick with Germany......to take the Cup

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platano says on Jul 1, 2006, 18:30:

G5... all the better! If the final match results from Italy defeating Germany then two of my theories will have worked out: the romance-language team wins over Germany... and Germany loses because of my other theory that "on any given day" any team can win over even established powerhouses (like, for example, Brazil!)

¡Viva Portugal!

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 1, 2006, 22:23:

Platno I'll say this. If I ever did not want to see a team win, or if there ever was a team that does not deserve to win, and if there ever was a team that clearly lucked out, and would be anything but the best team there, it's Italy. So forget the Romance language stuff. And here is why:

1. First their first round performance was average. Remember, the US almost beat them, and while the US played their best game against Italy, that did not say very much.

2.They should kiss the ref's toes for making it out of the second round. Australians should still be flaming mad. They were robbed. I don't care how you look at it, no way, now how, should that Australian player been given a red card for what at most was a yellow card. That was absurd, and that ref should never ever be allowed to ref a world cup game again. You don't throw out a red card in the last 2 minutes of an world cup elimination game without a clear and convincing case of an an infraction that warrants a red card. What Rooney did today would be considered a perfect example of what called for a red card. Hence, Totti's penalty kick and goal should not have occured. Without it, Australia, who was holding their own, might have beaten Italy.

3. I can't thinks of the third reason,,,,,but there has to be one. Italy is going to get a test with Germany like they have yet to have. The way they easily disposed of Sweden, and performed in the first round, shows me that they really are one of the world's best, and one of the world's most underated team

But we shall see

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Dolfi says on Jul 3, 2006, 00:40:

Italy and Germany met four times in a worldcup, and each time Italy won. But I agree with Gomezman, their team is not that strong this time and Germany has a real chance to beat them.

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kernow62 says on Jul 3, 2006, 04:52:

I haven't seen anything in Portugal that makes me think they can beat France. I am thinking a French/German final, but who knows. The ref can make all the difference in the world, and the Brazilian style of play suits the French, will Big Phil play the Brazilian game?

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kernow62 says on Jul 4, 2006, 07:42:

Henry is just warming up.

I think more money changes hand on football than any other sport. Betting is legal all over the UK for example, so a lot of money changes hands.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 4, 2006, 08:05:

Kernow Robbi "I haven't seen anything in Portugal that makes me think they can beat France"

That is very true Kernow. But you can say the same thing about them in the last Cup they played in as well. Nothing very stylistic, no real stars that standout. but.........maybe that's just it. They play very well as a group, and they are extremely aggressive, in that they foul a lot. They really "Play on the edge" which includes taking a lot of chep shots, that they seem to get away with. They are not a finess team like France. So what I am saying is that when you get down to fundimentals, they may not appear very good as a team, but what they are able to do, "throw off" the other team just enough so that it interferes with their ability to play execute properly from both a defensive and offensive perspective. I saw a perfect example of what I am talking about with the first round game against Mexico.

As to them not being very impressive Kernow....consider this, they won all three first round games, and they allowed one goal in three matches. No come on, that's impressive.

I thin we will just have to agree to disagree on the red card issue. Beside,,,,being Italian, aren't you a bit biased? just asking.

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platano says on Jul 4, 2006, 14:30:

So, G5, you see that in the end it didn't matter so much about the home team advantage, or the aggressiveness of play, or any of that stuff. Germany lost because they don't speak a romance language! And they lost convincingly 2-0

VIVA PORTUGAL!

plátano

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kernow62 says on Jul 4, 2006, 14:57:

Whilst Germany lost 2-0 it wasn't convincingly. The woodwork saved a few goals that would have finished the match. The Italians played beautiful football but Germany did not disgrace themselves. I am glad it didn't go to penalties, I hate for a teams run to end in penalties.

IMHO the way Portugal played in some of their earlier matches (not the one against England) they don't deserve to be on the same pitch. They should have received about 6 red cards in the match against Holland. I was surprised that against England they didn't play with the rough tatics. However with a man advantage they still couldn't score to end the match in 120 minutes.

Well done to both Germany and Italy!

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 4, 2006, 19:13:

Convincingly? I have to agree with Kernow Platano, do you call 2-0 convincingly when it took them until the last minute of the seocnd overtime for Italy to score. Everyone, Spanish, English, and everyone else was prepared for another round of kicks. The second goal was because with only seconds left, they had to pour everything into getting a quick goal to tie. In a do or die moment, there is no room for defense.

Look, it was a well played game. Italy did a great job. But let's be real man, this is the team that could only pull of a tie with the US, a team whose performance was abysmal.

I still think that being the host country has its advantage. Home advantage always has its advantages. But this is the World Cup, and when you get to this stage, anything is possible. I think overall talent is only one, albeit a major factor in determining your destiny. Desire, strength,and confidence, combined or individually are just as important. Maybe one player was having a bad day. It's one day, and one game, as I have said earlier, anything can happen.

Robi, as to Italy, good luck to her. She deserves to win it all if she can. This is probably Del Piero's and Inzaghi's last cup,so it would be nice to see them go our in style. Today, and all along, Buffon was terrific. Nobody can find fault with his peformance. In spite of Italy's shaky first roung, he himself still only conceede one goal in three matches.....just short of perfection.

And so says me

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 7, 2006, 11:56:

What do you mean Gringodiego The thread is HERE

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 7, 2006, 11:59:

It's here?????????? Right here man

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Simon says on Jul 7, 2006, 15:32:

Hey guys, check out what this article that some american, football-hating asshole reporter wrote:
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Appreciating soccer on TV is a learning experience for Americans

BY FRANK FITZPATRICK

Philadelphia Inquirer

PHILADELPHIA - It's not easy for a non-soccer-comprehending American to watch a World Cup match on TV.

Among other things, you need a bladder the size of a Frenchman's ego; an ability to keep reminding yourself that despite all the evidence to the contrary, what you're watching really isn't tedious; and a willingness to forgo beer for 45 minutes at a crack.

Speaking of beer, how does a World Cup held in Germany end up sponsored by Budweiser? That's akin to having Chef Boyardee sponsor an Italian World Cup.

If nothing else, France's victory over Portugal yesterday on ESPN proved that color commentators in soccer are no more prescient than their counterparts in the major U.S. sports.

After a brief flurry of early activity, John Harkes boldly told his colleague, J.P. Dellacamera, that "there could be a flood of goals tonight."

In case you missed it, one goal was scored. "Scored" might be too flattering a verb. The play that decided the game came on an unimpeded penalty kick from about 13 inches in front of the Portuguese goalkeeper by a bald man on the verge of retirement.

That kick was awarded not because of some flagrant violation, but because two players inadvertently touched toes in whatever it is they call that box in front of the goalkeeper.

At least now I know why soccer passions run so high. Since no one is capable of scoring during the regular course of play, the only goals happen on free kicks, penalty kicks and corner kicks. (Why does a game with so many "kicks" provide so few?) That leaves far too many opportunities for referees to - as happened yesterday - decide the outcome.

The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that avid soccer fans have been upset by the American broadcasts. They're finding all the graphics and talking too distracting.

After having watched France vs. Portugal, my only question is this: What exactly are they being distracted from?

There appeared to be less happening in the game than in an average "American Idol episode - which, perhaps not coincidentally, is another worldwide phenomenon I don't get.

However, I would agree with those soccer diehards who complain that ESPN/ABC may be dumbing down its broadcasts in an effort to capture the vast apathetic American audience.

Early in yesterday's game, for example, Dellacamera felt obliged to offer this fascinating insight:

"France's capital city is Paris."

Yesterday's game took place in Munich (not the capital of Germany). Allianz Arena was filled with 66,000 fans. Most of them whistled and sang the entire 90-plus minutes, behavior that makes perfect sense when you consider the only alternative would have been watching the game.

At least the German stadium's grass was thick and green, which is more than I can say about Wimbledon's.

I was glad to see that the camera operators are just as obsessed with the managers' reactions in soccer as they are in baseball. In fact, watching the formally attired French manager furrow his brow while his Portuguese counterpart frantically scurried up and down the sideline in a Forman Mills outfit was better theater than the game.

(If Paris - the capital of France, by the way - truly is the world's haute-couture hotbed, why was the bespectacled French manager clad in a suit that appeared to have been purchased at Le Dump?)

As long and eventless as the match was, it did possess one feature that this Philadelphian could comprehend. Every time Portugal's Cristiano Ronaldo touched the ball, the crowd booed lustily.

The young star probably walks too much and refuses to run into walls.

I also learned that soccer is a 90-minute game that never ends in 90 minutes. A referee can add as much time to the ends of halves as he sees fit to make up for stoppages in play.

"Hello!

If you're going to account for breaks in the action, why not just stop the clock whenever a player is hurt or the ball goes out of bounds? That's what watchable sports do. That way everyone, and not just the referee, would know when the match was about to end.

Soccer. The game that never stops. Except when it stops.

Soccer. The only clock that matters is in the referee's hand. And he ain't telling.

Anyway, I walked away from yesterday's World Cup semifinal with at least one significant query:

If soccer hooligans actually do consume enormous quantities of beer before and during games, and if the clock never stops, how long are the men's-room lines at halftime?
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"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 7, 2006, 15:41:

Fortunately his opinions are shared by 98% of his fellow North Americans which is why soccer is going no where in the US and Canada.

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Simon says on Jul 7, 2006, 16:01:

Utopiacowboy,
Why Utopiacowboy,

Why "fortunately"? He seems pretty ignorant to me.

Regarding this article, what is it with this american obsession with "stopping the clock" in sports? It's funny how they want to impose their way of thinking on everyone else.

It's also funny to me how he chose one of the lesser exciting games to comment on. How come this moron didn't write about an action-packed, nail-biting game?

The bottom line is that either this guy is right about football and the rest of the world is wrong, or vice versa. I think I'll go along with the rest of the world.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 7, 2006, 16:07:

I think it's wonderful that Canada and the US do not share the world's obsession with soccer. I like soccer. I played high school and club soccer, coached and referreed but soccer always seems to go hand-in-hand with misplaced nationalism and I think we've got enough of that already. I don't think Americans want to impose their way of thinking on soccer. They just don't care about the game and they never will.

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Miguel says on Jul 7, 2006, 16:24:

I guess I lucked out St. Louis, Missouri USA has always been known as one of the few hotbeds for soccer in the States, and I live in the original Italian neighborhood here called "The Hill", where even the fire hydrants are painted red, white and green. Yogi Berra and Joe Garagiola grew up here, we have some of the best Italian restaurants in the States, and Sunday is going to be one hell of a day here!

Zagarise...¿estás?

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 7, 2006, 16:26:

For your barrio, Miquel, here's hoping that the Italians pull it off.

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Miguel says on Jul 7, 2006, 16:41:

Oye UC A lot of the "soccer moms" living in my neighborhood look like paisas!

Tienes que buscar "The Hill" en Google...

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 7, 2006, 18:20:

Robbi....Simon Robbi
Indeed I am supporting Italy. I said so a few posts back. Hey, if nothing else I need to support Italy because today was the third time in the last 2 days that someone told me that Italy has yet to give up a goal. Nonsense, either people have short memories, or the US really played so poorly, they can't even remember that the US was th ONLY team to score on Italy despite the fact that the US as a whole had a poor performance. In fact not only did they US Score, but they ties Italy in their final game. But in World Cup soccer, what happened almost three weeks ago in the first round is almost like talking about the last World Cup itself.

Back to Italy. Del Piero will probably be playing his last game But then again, so are a lot of others. Italy for the most part is an old team. The average players age is about 30. Buffon is a great Goal Tender and France is going to work magic, Henry or Zedan, it they think they are going to score on him. He looks like a rock solid Goal keeper. As to France, for political reasons and personal ones, I real have no desire to see them win.

Simon, great article. Humorous.I also agee with every post that you made in this thread. As an American, I always tell my fellow American that if they want to go Soccer boring, they are free to do so, but they should top telling us soccer/footbal enthusiasts how to change the game that the rest of the world is content with.

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Simon says on Jul 7, 2006, 18:44:

Come on Gomez, that Zidane is one bad-ass player and I would love to see him go out on top! What have you got against France anyway, just cause they refused to kneel before the USA and do their bidding about the Iraq war? Remember, if it wasn't for France's help during the american revolutionary war, there might not be a USA today! And remember, the italians were part of the freaking Axis powers too!

Another thing I noticed that's really annoying when I read american articles about the Cup, they keep referring to Zidane and others as 'old'. Since when is a 34-year old an old person? The average age of the french team is 29 and they're called 'veteran'? Now 29 is old too? What's with this obsession with labeling anyone over 25 as 'old'? The funny part is that this is coming mostly from 50 and 60 something year old sportswriters!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 7, 2006, 20:14:

So, GringoD, I guess you don't like kissing your sister.

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Simon says on Jul 7, 2006, 20:16:

And now a good american article on the World Cup!

World Cup scores on TV
ESPN and ABC garner big ratings even with U.S. out.

Published July 7, 2006


ESPN/ABC succeeded in bringing the World Cup to the masses.

The event, which ends with Italy playing France in Sunday's final on ABC, has been a big hit with boffo ratings, especially in South Florida, where both Miami-Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach have ranked among the top five markets.

"It was so encouraging how many people watched in the U.S., and continued to, even after the American team went home," said Dave O'Brien, the former Marlins announcer from Wellington, who has steered the play-by-play in a manner that has best suited the mainstream U.S. viewer who has previously not watched much soccer.

"A friend of mine told me a story of the afternoon Germany went to penalties with Argentina. He was walking through SoHo in New York to go to lunch and saw this cafe crowded with people in business suits as well as T-shirts and shorts, inside watching the match. Outside, looking through the glass, was a crowd trying to see the TVs over the heads of the people inside.

"But that wasn't the amazing part. Behind the people on the sidewalk, watching through the glass, were more of them: in the street, standing on cars and taxicabs, looking over the people on the sidewalk, through the glass. The match was that nerve-racking and entertaining.

"These stories make you realize the World Cup, as I hoped it would, was reaching more than just the die-hard soccer folks. Way more."

O'Brien and ESPN had plenty of critics, mostly from the hardcore soccer community, but they deserve credit for a solid performance. The World Cup has been must-see TV for the past four weeks.

"I thought we did a good job bringing the matches, the experience, the scope of the event to the viewers," O'Brien said. "It is a monster, but we are proud of the tone we set and the information we imparted. Sometimes it wasn't easy to bridge the wide gap between the small core of sophisticated long-term viewers and the majority, who were watching like they'd watch an Olympics. Those two distinct parts of the audience watched this Cup for very different reasons. We wished that core group would be happy with so much coverage of soccer, all 64 matches no less. But you can't please everyone."

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 7, 2006, 20:38:

Actually the highest number of viewers have been on Univision for the Mexican games. The Mexico-Iran match drew the largest audience of any Spanish-language sports telecast in the US.

On English language television, the highest rated World Cup game drew a 2.6 rating which is better than ice hockey did. Their highest rated game for the Stanley Cup playoffs only drew a 2.0 rating. Of course we're talking about an audience that loves watching NASCAR so what can we expect?

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 7, 2006, 20:40:

Well, that explains why you don't like tie games. It's like kissing your sister and you've got no sister to kiss. My sisters were both pretty hot.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 7, 2006, 22:53:

UC....Mexico Iran the drew the largest of Span lang ?? No way. I will bet you anything that the Mexico / Argentina second round elimination match that was played on a Saturday, the 24th of June,had to have had a higher viewership than the opening match against Iran.

You better look for some updated numbers

In the meantime.....any thoughts on Germany / Portugal. I'll even admit that somethings about the World Cup don't make sense. What makes least sense is the consolation game. It's meainingless. When you are eliminated you are eliminated. It does not make sense that

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 7, 2006, 22:56:

I don't doubt you're right, G5. I couldn't find anything on the ratings for the more recent games. I preferred watching all the games on Univision to ABC/ESPN.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 8, 2006, 12:17:

UC...is this site affecting you and Gd Don't use the faulty logic that a lot of people use here to draw conclussions of that nature. Look, just because you could not find anything on the ratings for the more recent games, it does not mean the ratings did not exist, or that they were not higher for the Mex Arg game than they were for the Mex Iran game.

I live in Chicago, the country's second largest Mexican community, and I can tell you that Mexicans here were much more talkative for the Arg game. It only makes sense UC No? Second round...elimianation..everything was at stake. Keep checking those stats. I would bet I am correct.

And Gringodiego...I agree, the consolation game is meaningless. Except it is not meaningless to the players by any means. The team who finishes second place gets a lot more money than the third place teams. You can be sure that they will play their hearts out...just as if they were playing in the final match.

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 8, 2006, 14:38:

OK, here we go, G5, I found something about the ratings for that game:

"With an audience totaling 6.7 million Persons 2+, including 4.3 million Adults 18-49, the Univision Network's UVN telecast of Saturday's Mexico versus Argentina World Cup match broke all previous audience records. These results place the game as the single largest sports telecast among Hispanic viewers ever, including all previous Superbowls, as well as the #1 most-watched sports telecast in Spanish-language television history, breaking the record set previously during this year's tournament. Also, even though it was not a primetime telecast, it also secured the #5 most-watched broadcast of any type on Spanish-language television ever."

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 8, 2006, 20:34:

Thanks for doint the research.....UC I knew I had to be right. There isn't one person on this web site, or this planet for than matter that would make me believe that the first game against Iran, (a nothing team) would out draw an elimination game against Argentina. Impossible.

So it looks like not only was I right, but those numbers were pretty impressive.....

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webmanco says on Jul 9, 2006, 14:19:

Kat can you gime a Baloto number now, would you?? please Italy is still one championship behind Brasil


Congratulations Italy, En buena hora

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 9, 2006, 14:22:

Well, Miquel, I guess they are partying in the 'hood. Check out the chicas for me, dude!

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 9, 2006, 15:01:

Ok...so that ends this World Cup Sage...and now Now we can start cheering for Colombia again. 2010 in South Africa I believe.

It was a great match...the way it ws supposed to be. I am happy Italy won. They honestly deseved it. They has a questionable start. But, they quickly rebounded and played well. I still think that got a big break with their victory over Australia....but that is history.

Congrads to Italy and all Italians.

One more thing, I just heard a sports announcer say with amazement, that this was the first World Cup victory that went to kicks since 1998. I wonder if the guy even realizes that this is only the second World Cup that has been played since 1998. He probably thinks they play every year.

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kernow62 says on Jul 9, 2006, 15:16:

Congrats to Italy. It was sad to see France who played a much better game go down in penalties, but the writing was on the wall when Zidane was sent off. I knew at that moment that the Italians would win.

I wonder if the ref is some sort of bad omen, he has sent off some of the world's best players, albeit deservedly, but I think the guy is a bad luck charm.

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 9, 2006, 16:12:

What was Zidane thinking? Head butting the guy? I guess he wasn't thinking. Sometimes the old testos can get you in trouble. France did play better than Italy - a lot of the late second half and OT, it looked like Italy was standing around waiting for the shootout to start.

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Miguel says on Jul 9, 2006, 18:07:

From my hood The Hill The chianti is flowing, to say the least! I watched the first half at a bar...they have big screens inside and they rented one for the outside patio where people were watching the match (the ABC English language feed) and playing bocce ball.

For the second half, the OT's and the shootout, I went to a private party in the home of an old Italian restaurant owner down the street; great food and wine, a great mix of people ages 6 weeks to 100 years, most of the older folks speaking Italian while watching the Spanish language Univision feed, and then after Italy won, watching them go freaking crazy...cheers, tears, hugs, kisses, toasts to Zidane, etc.

Now we are gonna go out and torch some Renaults!

Just kidding...today was ALMOST as much fun as Guayacherna en Barranquilla..."almost"

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 9, 2006, 19:11:

The babes, dude, what about the babes?

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 9, 2006, 19:29:

UC...why do you keep thinking about "The Babes" You married this hot Paisita. Aren't you happy with her? You still away from all those Babes. Or, go find yourself a Mexicana for the evening. There are a lot of them floating around San Antonio.

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Miguel says on Jul 9, 2006, 19:36:

UC...same as it ever was Italian guys scamming the blonde gringas and me and the 3 other gringos at the party drooling over the italianas that could pass for paisas, caleñas o costeñas. I wish Brasil would have won, because my report from the Brazilian bar would have been more interesting!

Back on topic, I already am looking forward to the next Cup. I heard an announcer state today that one billion people were watching the match worldwide on TV. No wonder my local little St. Louis based company Anheuser-Busch were the lead beer sponsor.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 9, 2006, 19:37:

I'm just playing with him, G5. He said the Italian mommas in his neighborhood reminded him of the paisas and they'd be VERY happy if Italy won.

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Colombiche says on Jul 9, 2006, 19:46:

I liked France's game better I wonder what the Italian guy said to Zidane to get him that P.O'ed... must have been pretty bad.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 9, 2006, 19:57:

Colombiche, I heard he told Zidane: "The French woman are smelly from only taking a bath once a week, and they are ugly because they don't shave their legs or their arm pits for that matter."

Zidane did not appreciate that comment to much. And the rest is history.

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Miguel says on Jul 9, 2006, 20:25:

And until La Copa 2010 This thread should die. Thanks G5.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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kernow62 says on Jul 10, 2006, 07:27:

And the vote for best player of the 2006 World Cup is.... Zidane!!!

Wow, I bet FIFA is a bit red in the face about that. The voting was done at half-time, long before those scummy Italians called his mother a whore.

He just went up on my scale of football greats like Eric Cantona, I like the ones who don't take shit.

I still like Rooney even though he is a bit of a plonker. I watched the replay several times and there were three fouls on that play, one Portugese player was hanging on his shirt and another (the soprano) tackled with both feet from behind, and of course the Rooney foul itself. IMHO Sven shouldn't have played him alone running around like a madman up front absorbing the brunt of the Portugese defense. However....

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 10, 2006, 10:45:

yes, until 2010... Just one last thought concerning Zidane. He's no hero in my book, kernow. His ego is bigger than the his team, his country. His ice-cold behaviour when deliberately hurting his offender (what could he have said to him, probably no worse than marica or hijue...) means that he put his personal pride above the success of his team and his country. That's very lame. He deserved to be sent out. France didn't deserve to lose because of his ego and he did a great disservice to his team.

Cheers,
Desi

Embrace your uniqueness. Time is much too short to be living someone
else's life.

-Kobi Yamada

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Peter Miami says on Jul 10, 2006, 14:19:

What he did was disgusting being; the team Captain, his last game, in the World Cup and the Finals in the World Cup.

Peter Miami

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Dolfi says on Jul 12, 2006, 00:59:

It was reported in todays papers that the Itlian said to Zidane: "We know you´re the son of a terrorist bitch". It was alos reported that this might cost Italy the title according to FIFA rules.

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Dolfi says on Jul 12, 2006, 01:02:

It was reported in todays papers that the Itlian said to Zidane: "We know you´re the son of a terrorist bitch". It was alos reported that this might cost Italy the title according to FIFA rules.

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Dolfi says on Jul 12, 2006, 01:02:

It was reported in todays papers that the Itlian said to Zidane: "We know you´re the son of a terrorist bitch". It was alos reported that this might cost Italy the title according to FIFA rules.

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platano says on Jul 17, 2006, 21:55:

Colombia to host World Cup !!!! Gobierno inicia gestiones para ser sede del
Mundial-2014: Santos hablará con la Conmebol

El vicepresidente Francisco Santos Calderón anunció para el próximo viernes un primer contacto con el presidente de la Confederación Suramericana de Fútbol (Conmebol), el paraguayo Nicolás Léoz, para exponerle la intención del Gobierno colombiano de organizar el Mundial del año 2014.

Santos Calderón dijo que el viernes se mantendrá un diálogo sobre este asunto con los directivos de la Federación Colombiana de Fútbol y el presidente de la Conmebol.

Fuentes de la Vicepresidencia indicaron que el mecanismo de la reunión aún no se ha precisado, pero como mínimo el asunto será tratado a través de una conferencia telefónica.

Santos dijo opinó que "no tenemos que temerle a las metas grandes ni a los grandes desafíos" y que sólo se debe "huirle al pesimismo y a la desconfianza de quienes no creen que el país puede superar sus dificultades".

El sábado pasado, durante la inauguración de los Juegos Centroamericanos y del Caribe, que tienen como sede principal la ciudad de Cartagena, el presidente Álvaro Uribe Vélez anunció que Colombia trataría de lograr la sede del Mundial de fútbol del 2014. El mandatario señaló que esa gestión la adelantará el vicepresidente Santos y que Colombia "está en capacidad de hacer un buen certamen".

El anuncio generó diversos tipos de reacciones, pues se argumenta que no hay dinero disponible para hacer la colosal inversión que demanda un evento de estas características.plátano

plátano

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platano says on Jul 17, 2006, 23:09:

Agreed! Especially if Colombia is playing the United States!plátano

plátano

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 19, 2006, 00:16:

I would have thought..... That this thread was long gone. I have not been on here in over a week, and I can't believe you guys were posting as of today....

I know, Platano, you just want to keep it alive to make sure that I get the credit for being the author of the longest thread in PBH history. Isn't that true?

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platano says on Jul 19, 2006, 08:07:

G5, you saw right through my plan... If it were possible I'd keep this going... this thread would just be beginning... and you deserve the credit for one of the most interesting and longest threads remarkably free of insults. I still wonder if it has broken any records.

plátano

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mcraig says on Jul 19, 2006, 13:41:

My US team played with no heart the first US team ever to giveup Our US team is at a tremendous disadvantage because all of our great
athletes play football , basketball, baseball. An eventhough we have been catching up an more kids play now like I did an my boys do now , I started at 5 years old an my boys did as well an then they both started playing basketball around 6 or 7. But it is soccer an basketball that made me the best football player I could be these two sports are the best at gaining cordination than any other. But in the US once you turn about 13 soccer runs into the schedules of all the other sports an you try to keep up but you end up having to make a choice to either play soccer full time or play the other sports year around.

But that is no excuse for the effort the Us Team gave it was pathetic an embarrasing.

Best soccer moment ever is in 1979 when I was like 7 or 8 our soccer team got group seats at SMU staduim to watch our Dallas tornados vs the NY Comets, Pele even at the age of 40 was just the most amazing soccer player ever he took pass right in the middle of the box an controlled in the air an bicycled kicked into the goal. Men an my friends on the team where in AWWW. Pele is the best there ever will be

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 13, 2006, 11:18:

Even though I despise them, every so often the French come through. Yeah he might have cost them the world cup but the guy wasn't going to take an insult without making the other guy pay for it.

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Juanes says on Aug 15, 2006, 07:58:

la copa mundial en colombia 2014...quizas..... yes you are right in your inclinations diego or can i can you diego armando maradona y el mano de dios ! The colombians are thinking of bidding for the world cup in 2014 after south africa. i was at the last one in germany seeing the english team failing again on penalties for the fourth tournament out of the last five. I think there will be two bids one from colombia and the other from brasil. However, i would love it to be in latin america because it hasnt been for ages because the people there are mad about the sport. Colombia did bid for the world cup in 1986 but was more unstable then and had to pull out at the last minute which is wau mexico hosted it that year. The country is a lot more stable now and i think they have a good chance. Finally, please refer to our sport as football because it is not soccer, even in all the spanish/ potugese countries it is called el futbol, futebol. Loads of americans unfortunately call it this but please remember the TV audience for the world cup final ITALY v FRANCE was watched by 164 times the audience for the american superbowl. truly the global sport which unites all people in all continents.

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goin_south says on Jul 7, 2007, 02:11:

I don't think this thread should be in the category of POPULAR.
It's just plain ... OLD.
It should be archived.
Put away. Like a racehorse, put out to pasture.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 9, 2007, 15:37:

Oh......just had to bump up this thread (still the longerst one ever at 377 posts) just to prove the blow hards wrong. (I love doing this). My recent thread on the Mexico Paraguay game was inundated with complaints, calling for moderation to delete it since it had nothing to do with Colombia. How ironic? I started this thread on 6/9/07, and it ran for about a month....almost 400 posts, and guess what? It too had nothing to do with Colombia....nothing at all.....not even remotely. Colombia never even attended (qualified) for the World Cup, and yet nobody deleted this thread. For 6 entire weeks, people participated and I cannot recall one instant in this thread where people called for this thread to be deleted because "it had nothing to do with Colombia."

On the other hand, Colombia did attend the Copa de America. They bombed, and then, in a fit of frustration, people called upon the deletion of the other thread .....why? Of course....it had nothing to do with Colombia.....

One more thing....Clavo, at one point when I told you that this was the longest thread to date, you said that was because I did most of the posts. Well, that is wrong too. In fact, if you scroll up, you will find that most of the characters that posted posted much more than myself, and that while I participated ( I am the author of the thread) I by no means dominated the posts.

Above said, now it really is going to be long. With all the remarks, and responses to a thread that had nothing to do with Colombia, you guys are only going to make this one the leader for ever and ever. My only question is how many more people are going to chime in and beat up on GOMEXMAN or as Simon called me GOMEZMEXMAN. Either name will work :) lol

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 9, 2007, 16:00:

agreed, but if you deduct goin_souths posts, that eliminates at least half..jajajjaj...sorry, Gail.....=)

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Gomezman5 says on Jul 9, 2007, 16:06:

Fine Clavo...

I really did not kick up the thread to add more posts.....Nothing even comes close. It was more to make my point to all of those who called for moderation to delete yesterday's thread. This thread illustrates my point......perfectly. I'm sure scotty, and Simon will have their "comebacks" though.

oh ....what the heck.....380 and counting.....lol

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 9, 2007, 16:10:

i agreed with you...it was meant as a poke at Goin_South.....not dismissing your comments.....

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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goin_south says on Jul 9, 2007, 16:17:

This Has Nothing to do with Colombia.
Lock or Delete. Now, please.
It's just a bunch of hot air, by ...........
......Gomezman-"Once Upon a Time in Mexico"-5.

ouch; that hurts, Clavol.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 9, 2007, 16:43:

hey! I thought the plan was to bump up the challenger #2 SweetG thread! now we are adding to G5's!! jajajaja...just kidding, G5, there is no conspiracy going on.....

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 8, 2007, 23:30:

anybody planning on heading to south africa for the world cup?

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goin_south says on Nov 30, 2007, 20:34:

sounds to me like a good time to go to Colombia.
when is the next world cup?
n'r mind; I'll scroll up, to see when GOMEXICOMAN5 started this post. damn.... we mus still be ... it can't be... already? next summer???

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Nov 30, 2007, 20:35:

I have forgotten. Is the World Cup every two years? or 4?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Lucas Freley says on Dec 1, 2007, 12:18:

Every four years...next will be South Africa on 2010.

Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati)

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goin_south says on Dec 1, 2007, 12:25:

...and, Colombia appears a lil better set for this next time around, si?

South Africa? Now, that sounds like a dangerous place to go, lol.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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MitchAlvarez says on Jan 14, 2008, 16:31:

ill be there and so will colombia.

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goin_south says on Jan 30, 2008, 18:04:

oooops! never mind... go back to bed; you got two years to hibernate and stay safe away from PBH, Gomexman5. We'll send messengers, in two years ;-)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Apr 2, 2008, 15:26:

Howeva.... it is about time to start talkin futbol again.
And, gomezman5 has had plenty of rest... should be up and runnin fo de cup.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Colombiche says on Apr 2, 2008, 15:33:

Come on duck, why are you reviving this thread, you know I'm trying to overtake gomezman.... LOL, bad bad duck!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Man Tequila says on Apr 2, 2008, 15:46:

Just remember the real record is 593.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Colombiche says on Apr 2, 2008, 16:49:

Come on guys .... don't make me resort to dirty tactics!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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goin_south says on Apr 2, 2008, 17:26:

how would they say, that would be, en espanol?
'Manodebajo'?
Que?
(need to be able to 'guide' mi pastusa pequenita...jaj)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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aztec says on Apr 2, 2008, 17:29:

This is the only subject 95% of North American care nothing about!

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goin_south says on Apr 2, 2008, 17:32:

Aztec, and the rest; straighten up. Gomezman5 is gonna come crashing in here, swearing we're trying to hi-jack HIS TREAD.....

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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manINred says on Apr 2, 2008, 17:46:

The world cup is no longer relevant. It is the Euros we must focus on. Despite the fact that the Euros have nothing to do with Colombia... but then again, neither did the world cup ;)

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goin_south says on Apr 2, 2008, 17:55:

It depends; if we we're talking about the World Cup of Cockfighting...

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Apr 5, 2008, 11:27:

hey can some one say, because I have forgotten:
the Word Cup is...
EVERY 4 YEARS???

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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aztec says on Apr 5, 2008, 13:30:

I know y'all don't much care but have you noticed no gringos posting on this subject /item? Except Kernow but he shouldn't count because he was born and raised across the wide ocean.

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goin_south says on Apr 5, 2008, 15:11:

Si; I am not a gringo... I am not agringo... I am notagringo... I Mnotagringo... Iamnotagringo..notagringonotagringoIMnot. lol

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Apr 9, 2008, 16:50:

Hola G5.
Just a note to say:
You need to do some work on your thread, now...

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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kernow62 says on Jul 11, 2008, 20:47:

I am predicting Italy will win the 2006 World Cup on penalties.

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