Those F!*%$#ing Motos

barrumundi says on Nov 21, 2009, 17:44:

They should tax the taxi owners and the bus companies to recover this funding because they are the ones causing the accidents.

BTW there are many moto enthusiasts in PBH (I'm one) and some of them are not assholes.

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mcheasley says on Nov 21, 2009, 18:24:

I am assuming that there are NO traffic laws in Colombia (at least in Medellin).... If their were laws and Enforcement of the laws there would be many less accidents... I have a Bike and miss riding it, but would never bring it to Colombia... As far as Taxis and Buses being the problem I consider that a wild stretch... If the moto drivers didnt consider themselves Invincible and drove like responsible people there would be far fewer accidents involving Motos.... **** Just the way I see it everyday when I drive my car in Medellin trying to avoid the Daredevils....

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webmanco says on Nov 21, 2009, 18:33:

I am a Atrevido when on a motorcicle. I doubt they would do away with the soat, but motorcicle accidents are not always at the driver´s fault but becouse of also reckless car, both public and particular cars, plus the bad shape of some roads.

Uribe is pushing for higher taxes and raise on insurance for motorcicles, nowdays it is more expensive to insurance a motorcicle than a car.

Just one more reason not to vote for Uribe. Most motorcicle owner are not rich and are harworking people doing delivereis and using the moto as a way to make ends meet.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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theflatline says on Nov 21, 2009, 19:09:

Web,

Motos are probably 75 percent of the traffic problems in Colombia.

The problem is that if you are on a moto, like in the states, you should either go in front or behind the car, not on the sides. Riding a moto does not give you any special favors over cars or pedestrians. The same rules of the road apply.

If a car stops, the moto should stop, not go around it. Unfortunately, moto owners are assholes when it comes to riding them.

If you go to get out of your car or a taxi, you have to look out because some prick on a moto is coming around the side.

The national traffice code in Colombia says they have to use the same rules of the road as a car.

Colombia has many laws, but no one obeys them.

Being poor does not give you a pass to be an idiot.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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chrispej says on Nov 21, 2009, 19:33:

I can't tell how many times I've seen a bus pull over to the curb to let a passenger off and if he didn't pull over close enough, some idiot on a motorcycle would attempt to pass on the right almost hitting the bus passenger trying to get off the bus. It even happen to me once. This should be an immediate license termination.

I love these guys who think they can bypass traffic by driving on the sidewalk. Thank God I don't carry a baseball bat.

And yes, being poor does not give you a pass to be an idiot!

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El Expatriado says on Nov 22, 2009, 02:17:

My Novia keeps asking that I buy here a Moto.(I say "over my dead body'). This despite the fact my driver was out of commission for a week recently because he got side swiped by a Moto (driver died of course), her father and her brother both died in a Moto accidednt, and the three deaths I have seen here have not been drug gang murders, but Moto accidents.

The people who drive Motos in Colombia should go up for the Darwin awards.

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El Expatriado says on Nov 22, 2009, 02:22:

Stupid and asshole are not necesarily total inclusie...

But then, I climb mountains and ski in avalanche terrain, so if Darwin doesn't get you one way. he'll get you another.

Pick your poison. Motos like Barrumendi, Knife fights like La Huella, or faling rocks, snow, ice and lightning strikes, like me.

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El Expatriado says on Nov 22, 2009, 02:24:

But then, real serious climbers can't get life insurance, so why the hell should risk-takers who drive Motos get a free lunch? Also, they endager other peoples lives, like drunk drivers.

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miamimike says on Nov 22, 2009, 04:38:

We used to have a Helmet Law here in Florida until our last Governor, Jeb Bush, yielded to Political Pressure from the the MC Group ABATE and repealed the Mandatory FL Helmet Law. Dumb Move because since its repealment, Brain Injuries have spiked in our State's Trauma Centers and as soon as the MC Rider has expended his Health Insurance Limits(even if has health insurance at all, more a rarity every passing day) then he goes on Medicaid and the Taxpayers end up footing the Bill for his stupidity. MC Riders wherever should have to sign a hold harmless agreement that if he/she elects to ride without insurance in the event of an accident, he/she will be responsible for paying entirely for their medical care as a result of their riding sans Helmet. In many Florida accident cases, they are left in a Vegetative state requiring very expensive lifelong medical care. Why should the rest of us have to pay for their stupidity? Riding a MC in Colombia with its lax enforcement of Traffic Laws is Death Wish 2 and they (mc riders) will get nailed, its only a matter of when, not if,,,btw, I have ridden a MC off and on since 1965, having owned over 12 Cycles myself from a Harley 74 to a 50cc Yamaha scooter. I post from an Ex-Rider's viewpoint,,,, I hung it up as I want to be around to enjoy my Pension and retirement,,,

"You can take the Banana Out of the Republic but you Cannot take the Republic Out Of The Banana"

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marlydog1812 says on Nov 22, 2009, 04:53:

Hey El ex what about people who are both climbers and riding a moto in Colombia?
Do we get a special category of stupid and Aholes?

Kinda a toss up in my book what is more dangerous. I blew my knee bouldering and have never been the same athlete.
But everyday I survive riding my moto in Colombia is a very good day indeed....

knocking a wood....

Mali es pasion!

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 22, 2009, 04:59:

Cars ahve no respect for the moto here or about the same for a old lady crossing the street. They may seem reckless in their driving habbits but a lot of it is survival. If you drove a bike here in Colombia like the states you would not last a day.

All that up in the high life you can have it. False rich, false friends and well a false life. Get down to the bear bones of it and you will find yourself, your friends and your life. Colombia can show you the way if you look...

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theflatline says on Nov 22, 2009, 06:33:

one,

And if they rode like that in the states the amount of ass whuppings and jail time would fix thier asses good.

Passing stopped cars at redlights on the sides or during regular traffic for survival, it is selfish. Drivers would respect them more if they respected cars more.

The problem here is that in Colombia(and thank god it is a gene that I did not get) is they have no sense of self preservation.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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capt.lou says on Nov 22, 2009, 06:57:

In a country where everyone thinks he is Juan Pablo Montoya, your life is at risk even if you are a pedestrian !
After six winters spent in Rodadero and countless bus trips into Santa Marta, I am never surprised when I read of bus accidents in SA. Am I the only person to see whole families on a 50cc moto ?

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mikeinpuerto says on Nov 22, 2009, 07:17:

well as the working class are the ones buying the motos and the government doing all it can to hurt them and then tax them to death ..what is wrong .....I ride a moto and if I see a 4 wd coming at me the other way ...watch out they will cross over the double yellow lines and who cares if they hit a moto ...That is why you have so many moto accidents ..The rich do not have to follow the road rules......
The working class use motos for work and education and the government is trying to derail that ..That is economic sabotage ...Saying they need more insurance money and I wonder how accountable that money is ???? where does it really go ...

Smile and everyone will wonder what they are missing.

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scumbuster says on Nov 22, 2009, 07:29:

I see the solution to be start enforcing the traffic regulations. Writing tickets like here in the US..,. But on the practical side.. Where would you start? While you are writing one ticket you would see 50 other violations. Of every country I have been in the US by far has the best and safest drivers.
And Colombia is by no means the worst….

Tomas Jefferson “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

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mcheasley says on Nov 22, 2009, 07:56:

I have seen 4 moto accidents personally in Medellin in the last 6 months... ALL were the moto drivers fault... Including last week when my neighbor hit a moto with 3 people at night running a stop sign and with NO Lights on the bike.. And the moto driver was yelling and screaming at my neighbor because his bike was all messed up..( the child and female passenger were NOT wearing helmets either)... Of course they all hobbled off before the cops arrived and left the bike.....

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pedro says on Nov 22, 2009, 07:57:

Flatline is exactly right.

I suspect that because of easy licensing, they kind of know how to control the bike when they start, but they haven't learned proper driving protocols and rules of the road. Or they learned from others equally as clueless as them.

Motorcycles are also supposed to keep to the right hand lane, but you'll often see that being ignored. I often see them riding at night without lights, too.

Most annoyingly, they don't pay any mind to turn signals. I will be signalling to turn, but I always have to look behind to make sure a moto is not planning to ride straight through my turning arc.

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Haddeman says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:03:

Again Mr Flatline is absolutely on the money.If a moto does something stupid and has a collision with a truck or large camioneta then he will come off a great deal worse,the vehicle will merely sustain a few scratches.So why do these morons take so many risks with their lives,by the law of diminishing returns they will sooner or later cop it.

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Londoner says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:29:

Moto riders make good business here for the local clinica.Sooner or later ,they all end up on crutches.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:31:

Motos need to heed the basic normal motorcycle laws. Weaving in and out of traffic definitely does not accomplish this. Everytime I go to Cali I see at least 3 or 4 flattened motorcycles and passengers, the worst being right in front of chipe chape.. a couple run over by a bus.. Bodies still there and crushed and bloodied.. What a crowd it drew. That in part is why they passed that law in Cali a few years back. No more kids on MOTOS.. until 14-15?

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Londoner says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:37:

Colombia has all the laws and legislation, it,s just that they are not enforced.

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Atrevido says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:42:

Just once in seven years I saw a guarda pull over a moto for some infraction.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:45:

"Just once in seven years I saw a guarda pull over a moto for some infraction."

Now this I dont agree with.. I see the checkpoints everywhere in Cali.. My Cunado to the wrong chaleco one time and it didnt match his tag. Got pulled over.. BOOM 200k fine..

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:47:

"My Novia keeps asking that I buy here a Moto.(I say "over my dead body')."

EL EX, bypass the moto and go right for the Car because thats going to be the next request.. jajajjajajajaj lol

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 22, 2009, 09:07:

They pass the cars setting at red lights to get ahead of them. Since if they are in the crowd of cars the chances of a car running them off the road is much greater than anything happening to them jocking for the pole position. Buses taxis and cars cahnge lanes here without looking they just dart from here to there. A moto gets squashed in that mierda

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Atrevido says on Nov 22, 2009, 10:44:

Paisa I´m not talking about retens I´m talking about a guarda on a moto stopping a person on a moto and giving him a fine. If the guarda would do this on a regular basis the moto drivers might be a little less reckless. But they won´t. They don´t want to risk their own necks chasing one down. Far easier to pull over someone in a car and fine them for talking on a cel phone.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 22, 2009, 10:55:

Ive seen the Blanco's transito giving fines from time to time... Especially if you take your carro o MOTO in the MIO LANE... big big no no!

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Chriscan says on Nov 22, 2009, 11:57:

The thing here is people don't see each other's perspectives. Pedestrians hate traffic, people who drive small cars hate big cars. Cyclists hate everybody.

It's nice to find solutions and not put blame but I think in this area there is some merit to liability insurance. It tends to work out the the bigger, more expensive vehicles have the potential to cause the most damage. Motorcycles may be dangerous to the driver at his own fault but pose one of the lowest risks to others. Cheap transportation and cheap liability.

Do you know what I hate the most is the people who are bad, paranoid drivers who buy a big suv so they feel protected. Many of them screw up and kill someone. If they want to drive, they should have to drive a moto or at best a chevy sprint.

motos are only really dangerous to those who take on the risk of riding them. It's fine to risk one's own life but to me, a bad driver in an SUV is 100 times worse than a drunk driver on a moto.

Atrevido - That reminds me of the cops back in Canada never giving tickets on the highway for seatbelts (which they shouldn't anyway) but always giving them out in a 40km/h zone with zero tolerance. Enforcing traffic laws usually leads to cops just finding a way to give easy tickets.

You can't write a law to force someone to use common sense.

No problem is so formidable that you can't walk away from it.

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excavator59 says on Nov 22, 2009, 12:35:

I have to say there are idiots in both camps ,yes I agree most of the riders here are idiots on motos at least on the small ones generally people with big bikes are more careful I ride a Classic Auteco Lambretta Jet 200 1972 everyday & see both sides most buses, taxis & 4x4 are the worst I hate taxis they are the most selfish arrogant wankers on the road followed by pricks in 4x4's who would run you off the road just to gain a space on you but when another comes the other way who suffers the moto like me a few weeks ago going into Pereira the wanker nearly had me into the side of a bridge then was laughing needless to say he got a tirade of abuse eg Huevon etc.
I pesonally got knocked off by a Taxi intentionally on his part but being the lying bastards they are the Fiscalia was trying to prosecute me ! It cost me money to prove my innocence even though I got the injuries plus the Fiscalia had forged my signature on some docs when I was back in England.
So till you ride a bike yourself you can't see both sides ,I would make the people who knock you off a bike (if it's there fault )ride a bike for a while & see what it's like to be passed close by something bigger.

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webmanco says on Nov 22, 2009, 12:44:

Haddeman
Again Mr Flatline is absolutely on the money.If a moto does something stupid and has a collision with a truck or large camioneta then he will come off a great deal worse

now don´t pu the blame on the moto but in the driver.

No kiddding.

Just to be clear trucks or large camionetas, even small cars drivers also do stupy things jeopardizing their lives and other peope´s lifes.


Ploblem in Colombia is a whole, car drivers, bus drivers, zorra drivers, but mostly is the transit police who likes to put pussy lazy comparendos for not having lights, pico y placa, and others vey light cirucunstances, when they should had put comparendos for reckless driving, promoting traffic jams etc.

Now FlatLine if motocicles do no pass in the middle of the cars the traffic would be worse, and soon cars would be asking motorcicle drivers to please go ahead and pass in the middle, I can imagin for example if at a red light at avenida jimenez and caracas on the track north south, motorcicles would follow the rule to stay behind the cars the line would easily go to calle 72.


On the road, specially on rush hours you do need mobility, only a morcicled does that, plus not pico y placa. Do not pay tolls etc.

I have had my close calls, most of them if not all is the car drivers, don´t put directionals, do no use their mirros so don´t see the motorcicle coming.

FlatLine
If you go to get out of your car or a taxi, you have to look out because some prick on a moto is coming around the side.

in that case you make sure the cab driver does not let space for a motorcicle.

Not having drive a motorcicle in Colombia does give you the right to criticize .

For me pedestrians have the right of way, people getting out any kind of car do have the right of way as well, but I will still when posible and without jeopardize anyone would go pass the cars and let hungry car drivers in the traffic jam and relieveing their fustrations at internet forums.

Now I am off back to the road.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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theflatline says on Nov 22, 2009, 12:55:

Web,

In the US there are more cars on the road than in Colombia, yet traffic flows more smoothly because everyone follows the rules of the road. The problem in Colombia is "well no one follows the law, why should I?" attitude.

It is not the working class who only has motos, it is everyone. I live in an estrato 5-6 and plenty of motos running around my hood.

I have riddent a bike in the states and always followed the rules of the road. I would never get on one in Colombia.

The reality is people in South America or very poor and disrespectful drivers. Plus the cops should enforce the law so people would gain a healthy respect.

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excavator59 says on Nov 22, 2009, 14:22:

There is Pico y placa for motos but not in Bogota I believe,seems stupid to me as a bike takes up less space then some lardarse in a big gas guzzling 4x4 travelling by himself,none of us are ever going to agree on everything but I hate selfish bastards who don't give room to Cyclists,pedestrians ,motos etc they seem to think you should get out of their way.Transito I see everyday picking on some poor f***er on a moto yet never see the taxis sail through red lights when I'm crossing the road c****.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

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webmanco says on Nov 22, 2009, 20:21:

Here is one for YOU F!*%$#ing car drivers (well I am a car driver as well) but don´t bitch about motorcicle´s drivers.

This happened in Cali.

http://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/otrosdeportes/ARTICULO-WEB-PLANTILLA_...

Robinson Márquez, campeón de karate, fue atropellado

El karateca, 1 DAN, y también subcampeón suramericano, iba en su moto por el sur de Cali, cuando fue chocado por una camioneta que emprendió la huída.

Adolorido y con una herida en el ojo, el deportista solo piensa en cómo va a recuperarse para poder hacer parte del seleccionado colombiano.

El joven, de 24 años, se movilizaba por la calle 5, a la altura del Hospital Siquiátrico, cuando vio que una camioneta hizo el amague de cambiar de carril para tomar el cruce hacia la autopista sur oriental.

"El semáforo estaba en verde. Yo le pité pero, se atravesó y sonó un estruendo. Me caía y la camioneta en lugar de frenar lo que hizo fue acelerar", contó el deportista barranquillero, quien desde hace siete años, lleva la representación del Valle del Cauca.

"La gente que está en los negocios cercanos salió a ver qué pasaba y lograron tomar la placa del vehículo", dijo Márquez, quien pidió a las autoridades de la ciudad que busquen al responsable de su accidente.

Quedó con una herida en el ojo izquierdo que obligó a los médicos de la Clínica del Rosario, donde fue atendido, a practicarle una cirugía plástica.

"Ellos aconsejaron la cirugía porque la herida tocó el parpado y era profunda", contaba Márquez desde la habitación de su casa.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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La_Huella says on Nov 22, 2009, 23:24:

OFM is right about that.... when you're on a motorcycle you have to establish your presence so that other vehicles are aware of you or you are liable to be run off the road, I adopt the same strategy when I ride my bicycle on the road with car traffic, which I do late at night usually. It's actually safer.

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Francijoe says on Nov 23, 2009, 07:07:

I almost got ran over by a moto today on the sidewalk. Just not by one but two......

Hey cant we all get along.....

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 23, 2009, 07:33:

I think I ahve seen three moto accidents here and each one of them was not the fault of the moto. It was a car that turned in front of them, a car that rounded them into the curve a car that ran the light in front of him. People just expect the motot to jump out of the way like they do people who are crossing the street.

All that up in the high life you can have it. False rich, false friends and well a false life. Get down to the bear bones of it and you will find yourself, your friends and your life. Colombia can show you the way if you look...

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Juepaje says on Nov 23, 2009, 07:55:

Leave the motos to Darwin. Read peripheral isolates vs punctuated equilibrium.

“If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can’t it get us out?”-Will Rogers

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webmanco says on Nov 23, 2009, 08:15:

Francijoe, it was that You? Sorry I lost control with lots of curves in front.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Francijoe says on Nov 23, 2009, 08:29:

LOl sorry then I guess you understood me when I cussed in english.....

Hey cant we all get along.....

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webmanco says on Nov 23, 2009, 08:45:

Yeah watch your language little girl and I will try hard to ignore pretty girls while driving.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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lpdiver says on Nov 23, 2009, 15:42:

I invented a game on my last trip to Colombia to amuse myself. I call in motorcycle yatzee and as a result I have been very aware of motos on my trips there. Actually, I am amazed at the rarity of motorcycle accidents and regular vehicular accidents for that matter.

I also am amazed at the scarcity of traffic enforcement.

One hundred percent of the moto accidents that I have personally observed have been male riders. I am sure that female riders are involved in accidents as well; but, have yet to see one. Probably a comment on / result of male machismo...

ts

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davidslc46 says on Nov 23, 2009, 17:48:

I am just happy to see the medellin murder rate come down. Last I saw a couple weeks ago on the news was that there have been 1600 Moto deaths so far this year in Colombia.

David

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scooby_1781 says on Nov 23, 2009, 18:05:

I ride a classic triumph Dayton 500 here in California and i always watch out for peope in cars. every accident i have every been in is because knuckleheads do not look out for motorcycles. they are so preoccupied with watching out for other cars we are invisible to them. the problem is not just in colombia but everywhere as motorcyclists we have to be extra vigilant no matter where we ride.

"SEMPER FI"

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excavator59 says on Nov 23, 2009, 19:28:

Nice Scooby I have 4 Lambrettas 1960 TV 175 (200) Italian with Sidecar ,1972 Auteco(Colombian built) Jet 200 with disc brake (Lambretta first 2 wheeler to have disc brake in 1962) 1968 Vega 75cc (140) only 2 in Colombia & finally a 1976 Auteco (Colombian) DL 150(175) there are a couple of BSA/TRIUMPHS here in PEREIRA.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

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La_Huella says on Nov 23, 2009, 22:33:

I saw a real good accident on Av Boyaca in Normandia about a month ago.... a motorcycle went up against a tour bus and totally lost... lost to the point where he wound up with his guts literally strewn across 2 lanes.... pretty nasty stuff... I have no idea who's fault it originally was but he definitely paid the price in spades.... for sure that was gonna be a closed casket!!!

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scooby_1781 says on Nov 24, 2009, 10:35:

Dang excavator59 you got some nice toys, my other one is a 73 triumph trophy 650 that was semi chopped by the triumph factory in England for some rock star who overdosed 6 months after delivery. It has a purplish psychedelic paint job on the tank that when you look at it from different directions in the sun it shows different colors. I bought it from a friend who bought it at an estate sale in monticito Ca I paid $1,000 with only 1200 miles on the engine. The dudes parents had it stored and only took it out once every 6 months to cruise the Santa Barbara beach.

"SEMPER FI"

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Chriscan says on Nov 24, 2009, 11:03:

One thing about the archaic traffic that is better than more organized systems is that it is more efficient. More of the road is utilized, motos don't use 10 times the space that they need to and there is actually more common sense. When I see cars up north waiting for a light to change, to me it symbolizes a bunch of obedient sheep bowing to fascism.

No problem is so formidable that you can't walk away from it.

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Lowell says on Nov 25, 2009, 12:34:

I found that because of the obvious increased danger of riding here, danger that I believe to more than when I rode in the States, I can't be comfortable. I'm selling my moto. I've a 4 year old daughter to think about. Don't want to be dead or a cripple.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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poco says on Nov 25, 2009, 13:02:

Quote: Moto ownership has expanded exponentially since about 1993 when super cheap moto from India and later China
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Maybe ?? I'm not going to research it,, but,,, Suzuki is a top brand,, I think the BEST 125 Is made in Pereira ? I think they assembled their 1 millionth moto a month or so ago ?

My guess is that most brands are assembled in Colombia,, AKT was a big seller but not the quality of a Honda or Suzuki.

I think motos have a huge impact on the environment,,

I'd bet an out of tune 125 has more emissions,, you know,, DEADLY emissions,, who knows ??? maybe it has more impact than a herd of farting cows and

for sure

an out of tune 125 is WORSE than a tuned Hummer.



Imagine: a good hummer,, but,, that’s in the U.S. the Hummers are cheaper in Colombia.

BTW: when will someone say “YOU CAN LIVE LIKE A KING IN COLOMBIA FOR $1000 U.S. dollars per month ?

Second BTW:
BTW: Tata Motor,, I made a bunch of money on their stock,, the Nano,, now that’s a car for Colombia,, $2000 U.S. dollars,, oh,, forgot, Colombia taxes the shit out of stuff, probably be,, what ??? 15 million pesos,, no, wait,, a spark costs more and we can't have companies in india selling cars for LESS than GM,,

can we ?

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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