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Colombiche says on Jan 31, 2008, 09:36:

Bump bump.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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billyb says on Jan 31, 2008, 09:42:

I am for choice A all the way :)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Jan 31, 2008, 09:43:

The only things that should be off limits are children and dogs.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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El Polo says on Jan 31, 2008, 09:44:

Choice A, I wont take anything said over the internet home with me at the end of night.

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slguy says on Jan 31, 2008, 09:51:

CB- I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You guys do an unbelievable job, in a tough, tough environment.

I belong to some boards that are SOOO moderated, they're boring beyond belief. These boards are simple to moderate - say homo- you're deleted. Suggest that anyone is an asshole- you're deleted. Very tidy.

This kind of board would be the toughest there is- because of the diversity of posters, and it's intrinsic freewheeling nature. I giggled just the other nite at a newbie who lectured us about "stay on topic!" in one thread. Obviously, the newbie came from the heavily-moderated environment, and was distressed that we did the usual PBH thing, and took that thread out for a very long walk. It speaks to the quality of moderation here, and to the nature of this board, that the rest of us were giggling at him - rather than worrying about staying "on topic".

Only once have I ever complained about uneven moderation - but that was more to understand desi's viewpoint than to really complain. Des knows very well the esteem i hold her in - and I hope she also knows that I debated her in mutual respect, not because I had any real problems the manner in which she performs her duties.

All I can say is- all of you guys have my admiration and respect. And my thanks for doing such a thankless job.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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McGringo says on Jan 31, 2008, 09:52:

I prefer Desideria's yenta approach to moderating.

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billyb says on Jan 31, 2008, 09:53:

I don't see any problem with the mods either. You are always going to have people whining about something.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 10:09:

What's "yenta" approach?

Colombiche, I hadn't seen this thread before, until you pointed it out in "Omophobic" thread.
I believe we are going to get an even spread here; we have some people who have quit the board because we're not strict enough, yet if it had been they who moderated they're first task would've been to delete themselves.

I'm all for free speech, but also for common decency. I have a cultural bias, it looks like, for non-aggressive communication, I hate name-calling and detest hyperbole and all this foaming at the mouth when discussing politics and other sensitive issues. I believe you can speak your mind and call things by their names and yet be decent about it; you don't need to insult your fellow debattors, use cusswords or obscene language to make a point.

More...ltr,
Cheers.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 10:16:

Colomb: I have not had the chance to read all the answers to your post yet, so I am simply going to reply to what I read.
There must be a peice of this puzzle missing? Something that generated this post.

Listen, it is IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone all the time. And some people are just pleasantly miserable. Either way, I think the Mods are doing the best they can with the mess they have to deal with.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 10:57:

Number one has already been tried, prior to 2003. It didn't work.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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MaFe says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:18:

BUMP...
but some people also have to realize like Desi said, that we might have different opinions, express them without insults...

"All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:29:

Gringoloid, may I ask you a question?
If we chose to delete an account because of a personal attack, would it make any difference if the offender was a)a newbie who perhaps came from a non-moderated board where everything goes? b) a long-time established, contributing member, like GIB?
c) a borderline troll who is just wasting everybody's time here like clyde "Papito"?

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:33:

I think you guys rock and are doing a fine job....

With as much b.s. as goes on in the world and on-line... this should not even have to be a post just because of it's absurdity...

The factor that some people are just plain childish and like to point fingers and name call is absurd and that you all get the Big Bucks of $0000 for babysitting the board and cleaning up is a tough job and you all do your best at drawing the line when it needs to be drawn...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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adrimm (Moderator) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:35:

msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:42:

This is the internet... Who said free speech exists in cyberspace?....

It is of your own choice what sites you choose to participate....
Everyone should read the Rules before joining any type of site....

The RULES

This site brings together a large community of people with an interest in Colombia. When you write things, follow these two simple rules: (adapted from webdesign-l policies)

No personal attacks.
Stay on topic (Colombia).
In other words, do NOT post:

questions about where to 'find women'
racist, sexist or homophobic comments
harassing or 'stalking' any other person
personal attacks on others
personal details or private information about any other person
postings made under another person's name or impersonating another person
commercial advertising
excessively coarse language
If you don't follow the rules your post may be deleted or you may be banned from posting.

No personal attacks.

Attacking someone’s argument is accepted, even encouraged. Attacking the person who made the argument is unnecessary. We are all here to learn, and none of us can do that while we’re calling each other names or questioning one another’s intelligence. Read other members’ arguments carefully and respond to the points they make, not to their wording or to them personally. Everyone will learn more that way.

We also don't allow attacks on groups of people (women, men, americans, colombians, ...). You can talk about groups of people, that's fine, just don't attack them.

Stay on topic.

The topic of this website is Colombia. It's ok if you start discussing other stuff now and then, but try to stay on topic. If you start a discussion that's off topic to start with I can delete it.

Also note that this is NOT a dating site. It is ok to discuss your personal life (as it relates to Colombia), but this is not the right place to ask where you can find dates.

Don't feed the trolls.

Some people just enjoy starting trouble. They’ll intentionally post false or controversial material, usually worded in a provocative manner, just to get others to pay attention to them. This is known as “trolling‿ and is regarded by some as an art form. We disagree. We think it is dull entertainment for simple minds. We prefer to ignore the trolls until they crawl back under their bridge, and we would prefer that you do likewise.

Keep private email private.

No matter how nasty someone gets in private, how certain you are that they sent the message privately by mistake, or how relevant you think a private message is to the rest of the list, if a message was sent privately to you, treat it as personal correspondence and keep it private. To do otherwise makes you look untrustworthy and childish.

If someone is harassing you off-list and refuses to stop, contact me.

Note that this also applies to the 'Inbox' you have here on Poorbuthappy.

Be respectful of others’ sensitivities and backgrounds.

There is a wide range of cultures represented on this site. What might pass for “refreshingly direct‿ in your hometown may be horribly rude to someone from another state or nation.

Also, try to remember that while this is mostly an English-language site, not everyone on it speaks English as their first (or even second) language. That semi-coherent typo-ridden rant may not have come from a boorish illiterate, but someone living on an island in the middle of the Pacific who speaks French, Russian, Japanese and Arabic fluently, but only just started learning English three months ago.

Do not spam.

Do not post commercial messages. You may provide a link to your website, if it's new to us, but don't use this site for blatant self-promotion or spam. It will be deleted.

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:45:

hmmmm, still here Ernie.

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:49:

Mssauc: Maybe we should set up a "thank you" party for all the hard working Mods?

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:53:

GIB: Who is this masked man harrassing you? I was harrassed for months too...still got a pulse - I just pushed the ignore button - Agent 99 out.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:55:

Ernie, you forgot to properly quote...

"Attacking someone’s argument is accepted, even encouraged. Attacking the person who made the argument is unnecessary."

"We are all here to learn, and none of us can do that while we’re calling each other names or questioning one another’s intelligence"

Quoting for your own advantage defeats the purpose.... This is where the issue seems to lay... Reading comprehension skills are a GREAT learned trait....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 11:55:

We should have a Thank you party for the MODS... but, probably in the "Off-Topic" section....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:01:

OK Ms Sauc: I'm talking about a REAL party. They can pick the place ;) I'll make a post when some people are back and we have a good sample size. The Mods deserve some recognition. Personally I could never do what they do and feel I don't have any right to balk at or judge their decisions. I respect their decisions, as I don't think we truly have the whole true picture on this. I have very little experience in bulletins and postings, this is it for me. But, this kind of has a family like environment. We fight and the parents keep us in line jaja Not only that every Mod I have seen so far....very intelligent comments...fund of knowledge.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:01:

In instances where someone is stalking or just plain harrassing you on the site I think something should be done about that no matter how old or young the poster is. I do not agree with all of GIB posts or views but in his case it is rather obvious! I do believe the man would get an argument or negative rebuttal no matter what or how ridiculous of a post he makes!

But yes, compared to other sites, we are allowed a rather lengthy lead of rope in which some choose to hang themselves with at times!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:04:

My ten cents is I'm much more discouraged by the trolls on this site than by the occasional flame or disagreement between folks who actually participate and add value.

This board is in constant danger of simply becoming irrelevant because of too many trolls or too many meta-discussions about how Chavez = Hitler or Uribe is a Bush bootlicker, Colombian women are all ____, etc.

If someone is offending or insulting me, that's why there's an ignore button.

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webmanco says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:05:

Every thing goes, but once in a while we should turn the lighs on, to organize the mess a little, well and to see who is who. :-)

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:07:

Just for the record, we get about a dozen newbies every day. Only two or three as an avaerage start participating actively. A newbie who seems to know awfully much about other members and is extremely opinionated comes with a red flag attached on the forehead....

Mr. Inbogotá, I don't follow your line of thinking at all. That is not what I said at all. That's your own interpretation of how we interpret our rules. What I'm saying is that long-time members of good standing, with a lot of good, positive contributions are perhaps worth the benefit of doubt that obvious trolls aren't. If that's playing favorites, then be it that way.

Ernie, I have not accused you of being clyde or a troll or anything. Yet you seem to have a very strong opinion about the job we are doing on this board. Most newbies have to hang around for a while before they start complaining.....

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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webmanco says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:09:

There are also many lurkers.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:11:

MsSauc: BTW - I keep hearing comments that the Mods are predomin. in Scandinavian countries? Not sure - I don't care where we meet up and have a party for them BTW. I'm up for Europa

Cafish: Is that your pic? Good for you BTW. I agree with you on the stalking part. This happened to me and gave me the creeps. (sooo adolescent)

Mr Hwood: Your comments are always short, to the point and well worded. I like the way you put things. I agree ....the button ...push that button baby

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:14:

No man,
You seriously gotta beef with this. I have to agree with you on this JAJA.. I have only began posting on here about four months ago or so but watched in the shadows for some time. I watched that "stock Market fiasco" post what? Last week, he punched the sheet out of you for awhile and then when you began fighting back you were both threatened with the penalty box! I dunno. He has some good posts as everyone does, but he's got it big with you buddy! You know his mother?

Uhc-chem!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:17:

Well, traveling to Europe sure does sound like fun.... But, actually, it's only Desi and Peter out in the farther regions of Europe.... Actually, one thing all the Mods do have in common, I think, is that they live in REALLY cold parts of the world....

So, the party shall and must take place in Colombia, there's no way around it....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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eywed says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:18:

/.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:18:

It is not so much of attacking one another rather than the chinese water torture of picking around on you like a crab.
And this stuff about "just use the ignore button", why should you have too?

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:19:

GIB: I am very sorry to hear you are being harrassed and stalked. You would be offended if TG, HG or I did it instead jajaj (joke only my dear)

Webmanco: See who is who? A bit too close to big brother talk for me, sorry

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:25:

You wouldn't know a good Amarone if I hit you in the head with it! Now that would be a terrible waste, why did I say that.? I don't think there is a bad Amarone!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:29:

Catfish, sometimes using the ignore button is sooooooo much easier and less stressful then trying to rationalize with some members..... I never had to use it until recently, and I used it on 2 members and everything is much better.... They can post to their hearts desire and I have no clue what they say.... Works really nice... Heck I don't even know if they gave up or are still around...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:30:

GL.... that just goes to show how reading comprehension is a lacking trait that people didn't learn or just conviniently forget.... lol.... who's calling the kettle black...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:31:

"But, actually, it's only Desi and Peter out in the farther regions of Europe...." It's just me who lives in Europe. Peter is Belgian by birth but lives in USA as far as I know.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:35:

MS.
I get your point on the "ignore" just may be my testosterone that won't let me push it, same way I can't ask for directions. Butt I am working on it..tanks

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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slguy says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:43:

GL, why not point them at the search function? May not be the same as engaging them in lengthy conversation- but maybe they don't recognize that it's there, and would be interested in seeing the 4,000 previous posts about getting money to colombia, visa options, safety in colombia, etc.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:45:

Desi: Maybe Spain would be a good place for a Mod party? Not too inconvenient - plus En Espanol...think it could happen? Or maybe a cruise in this area and we can send all the complainers pics of the party jajaja
Thanks for the edit button...hmm Peter and Desi in the US, well I guess maybe we could all pitch in and help. Maybe someting for 2009 or 2010?

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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slguy says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:49:

a cruise, CG? gotta a slow learning curve, do we? jajajajajajajajjajajajajajajjajajaja

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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sloopskipper says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:51:

"And when a newbie asks a question, we should not say, "do a search on pbh". that seems cold."

A BIG ditto on that one, or "Oh, not again", "doesn't anybody use google search?", or "we discussed that a million times".

Sometimes a simple one sentence answers the question much better than a search that often produces a bunch of meaningless fluff.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:56:

Desi, I think Peter is in Antwerp, Belgium.... based on a recent thread requesting info on a service to ship items from his house to Medellin...

CG... I'm up for Spain....

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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slguy says on Jan 31, 2008, 12:57:

a simple one sentence answer? like "Use the f'ing search function!"? jajajajajaja only kidding - I get your points....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:00:

Well then that settles that then! Say Marbella? Find a cheap little place there with a small party room?

We can all sleep in? $$$$$$

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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Colombiche says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:11:

Thanks for all your replies.

The Mod appreciation party is a great idea, very nice of you to think of that.

Just a point I wanted to bring to everybody's attention, this site is being read by a lot more people than we think it is. There are regulars, but there are also many lurkers.

I checked on Alexa.com and Poorbuthappy.com has a traffic rank of: 114,574. In a world where millions and millions of websites exists that means a lot of eyes out there are reading the stuff we post.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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slguy says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:13:

what does that mean, CB? 114,574 per day? individuals? separate visits? I'm an idiot about tracking these things....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Colombiche says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:25:

Sorry, I should have explained better. That means that out of all the websites on planet earth (or at least the ones that alexa tracks) PBH ranks at the 114,574th site with the most traffic.

Just to give you a couple of points of reference:

JuanValdez.com ranks 556,984
Citytv Bogota rnaks 167,318

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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msaucey says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:26:

WOW.... So, not needed....

This is cyberspace, there is no conference room for MODS to meet and discuss the never ending issues that arise on PBH.....

Evidence #1 and #2 are pretty much the same....

MODS do not have the time to keep track of everyone, including the site owner, because they DO have a life other then PBH... and maybe also be members of other forums...

Ay, que fastidio... I'm done for the day...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:34:

FYI, Peter has been living in New York for long periods for the past couple of years.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:37:

What does "traffic" mean in this context?
Hits per day?

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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podborski says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:41:

I'd normally be in favour of as free speech as possible, just as my opinion, this is a private site and Peter and the mods can do as they like.

But I've also seen some people make not only death threats, but then also talk about knowing where someone lives, where their children go to school.

That's way beyond what anyone needs to hear or deal with IMHO.

So I think the mods have got it about right, although I don't know why they allowed GIB to be stalked so obviously for so long.

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:43:

OK MsSauc, Catfish, Desi et al...friendly folks. I'll post something sometime in Spring to see how this can go in Spain or such, jaja.....Maybe by then we will have a better idea of what is most appropriate - that's why I suggest 2009 - keep posted.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:54:

I'm sorry, ernie, I don't quite get it. What lines? Are you out of line? Yes, I think so. We are volunteering hours and hours of our time every day to help Peter out with this forum.

"How to tip toe around a certain Mod who is either completely out to lunch or a bold faced lier (or both).........Im not suggesting either but merely asking questions.......and not make it an attack, which I am not! THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. I just find your statement above not passing the steaming pile of brown matter test......."

Yes, that is a personal attack.. I take these things very seriously. You were encouraged to speak your mind, not spew venom. This is not what I call a civil debate.

I have no further comments to you, Mr. Troll..

At this point, I'd like people to re-read the original post. This is not about how good or how bad the present moderators are or how well or poorly we are doing our jobs. It's about how would you like to have your forum moderated if at all.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:56:

Honestly, one other feature I'd love would be a "ignore this topic" button to be able to simply make topics gone adrift disappear in my little version of PBH.

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Colombiche says on Jan 31, 2008, 13:58:

"My thought is that the Mods are doing a very poor job"

How so? Please be specific.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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podborski says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:03:

I don't think I've ever heard gringoloid say a bad word about anybody. Unlike me jejeje.

For a troll, Ernie is kind of boring. I prefer the humourous trolls.

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sloopskipper says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:04:

It is difficult to imagine that the mods tolerate all the bullshit when doing a voluntary "community service" for people who have an interest in Colombia. Why all the hate and venom?

Without them there would be total, rather than partial, pandemonium.

Please take your hatred and insults elsewhere. Many of us are here to simply learn about this country.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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sloopskipper says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:08:

Humorous trolls? Now there’s an oxymoron.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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Colombiche says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:12:

"At this point, I'd like people to re-read the original post. This is not about how good or how bad the present moderators are or how well or poorly we are doing our jobs. It's about how would you like to have your forum moderated if at all."

Yes, that was the original intent of the post. To huddle together and come up with some good ideas, but it seems like focusing on the negative and pointing fingers so much more fun.

Funny, I have never received a private note from anybody requesting help or trying to do some one on one positive criticism, including some people I considered that I have had friendly exchanges with in the past.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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sloopskipper says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:14:

If nobody moderates, you may as well, just shut it down. It would be totally of no value.

You could rename it the John Stark Memorial Insult Line.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:15:

I'm waiting for robi's answer to your question, colombiche. What a total surprise, I would have never expected that. I have never , ever heard him saying anything about por moderating before.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Colombiche says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:20:

He is not the only one Desi, today I was very surprised to hear some negative criticism from people who I have been have been having cordial exchanges dating back months.... and even then, they never called me (or you I assume) on anything via PM.

That is why I created this thread, so all the critics can offer their advice/tips/observations right here in a common repository where we will know to look for it.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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slguy says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:26:

FWIW- I have contacted peter once, desi once. got prompt responses both times. one with a great outcome..the other in limbo. jajajajajajaja

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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slguy says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:41:

you're a real barrel of laughs, ernie. proud of yourself, are you?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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sloopskipper says on Jan 31, 2008, 14:44:

The lunatics have taken over the asylum

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 16:25:

W H O A !

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 16:37:

Boys? You still at this?....someone needs a good massage....

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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gabolicious says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:13:

vaya! si que había mucho qué decir!

esta ha sido una charla larga eh?

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:23:

oh c'mon nati let the PBHers express the way they feel... they think something has to be done and maybe they are right! =)

Elección no canonización....

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manINred says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:32:

You know what makes this site less enjoyable overall?

It isn't the mods, no way. They are a group that actually contributes interesting opinions, insight, and facts that are consistantly of high quality about Colombia.

No, It's the losers who get off being assholes by proclaiming "Canada is Communist" or "immigrants are not real Canadians" or "all colombian women are easy ho-bags" or "Colombian women never hook-up with loser gringos in NA" or "what colombian women really want (because I definitely know...)" etc.............. the list goes on.

It's the assholes that like to insult other people deliberately because they think it's fun, or to insult someone else's beliefs, nation, opinions, or whatever, just because they can, doing so not with rational debate, but with malice and spite.

It's the frigging moron trolls who have no lives and like to come on and spout garbage. I have read some sad stuff here, posts like "it is night time so the trolls can play..." posts that proceed to make a farce of this site. Actually, that sorta behaviour is more pathetic than anything.

I would like to clarify a comment I made earlier. When I said that PHB condones the bigoted garbage that I was subjected to the night before, that was not aimed at the mods. It was aimed at certain members who make up the website and condone it, who find pleasure in watching pointless arguments, and urge the ignoramuses on. Those who do so, condone such behaviour.

And as one mod pointed out to me, moderators will always be the ones who lose out, they can never win. If they are perceived to be taking a side (and there are always such perceptions), they'll only be accused of side-taking, thus a lose-lose situation, whether they act or not. There's a lot of truth to this. I see it every time I come on the site.

Nope, it's the few who get off on lowering the quality of the website by taking cheapshots and being morons that are at fault. Also the idiotic no-live trolls.

Anyway, that's my opinion, for what it's worth.

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gabolicious says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:32:

well, right now I am not in DF I am in La Paz Bolivia... there is a PBHer who lives in Mexico DF but she doesnt like it, she says it is so huge and polluted that she is not willing to live there any longer hahahahahahahaha....

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:36:

manINred I agree with your comment regarding "some" people's posts... anyway we are not mods... nevermind

Elección no canonización....

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gabolicious says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:41:

oh yeah my dear!!! food!!! so DELICIOUS!!!! I like mexican food even more than colombian and argentinian... hahahaha

Elección no canonización....

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manINred says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:44:

And as a one final comment, when I said that mods enhance the website with interesting info, etc... I did not mean that it is only them who do so. Many, perhaps even most other people who write on here do as well.

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billyb says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:47:

Imagine that, a city with people everywhere.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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gabolicious says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:54:

Oh yeah I've seen many posts with useful information and posts written by people always willing to help, and respectful PBHers who state their point of view without being rude... being sincere does not necessarily mean "rude"...

There are also "funny" or entertaining comments such as Elmo's (but I have to admit his posts break some PBH rules).

I personally think that we should not take it that personal... in my opinion we are all cyber entities, we don't use our real names, we don't share personal experiences as we would share with real friends... until I meet a PBHer in person my mind will change and if later I am attacked by him (or her) THEN only THEN I will take it as a personal attack...

Elección no canonización....

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Catfish35 says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:57:

I'll take that massage if no one else wants it.....sheeeeeeit!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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goin_south says on Jan 31, 2008, 18:57:

Cg... please! don't ever put me on ignore
... because, I don't know how to....



jaja... well. just to take a lil edge off of this post...

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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scotty says on Jan 31, 2008, 19:05:

i can see where there is a need for some sort of supervision of the boards. I dont think you can just let the boards be a do whatever you want, anytime you want to do it. There has to be someone watching over what is happening and being said.
However my experience on a couple of occasions has been that some times the mods can be just as bad as anyone else and on occasion even worse since they have no one to watch them. we need a committee, or group or someone to make sure the mods dont get out of control.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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goin_south says on Jan 31, 2008, 19:09:

I wonder what percentage of the writing/posts/time on pbh is now relegated to items like this post, and whining, bitching, bemoaning, trollin/feedin 'm.... (Too Much!) This is afterall, what got UTC to the end point of j_s.... tired of all the chit...

(Not meant to dys- Colombiche at all; she's obviously a good, concerned mod... but, as someone else wrote,.. this post should really be unnecessary.)

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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manINred says on Jan 31, 2008, 19:34:

How do you put in videos like that goin_north?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Be6jlCuMvVQ

For example. Some Colombians are trying to get me into these guys. Dunno if I dig them, but the message is a good one.

And robbi, if he is taking his dose of shit, that's the type of stuff I was talking about... whoever's dishing it out detracts from the quality. Case in point.

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Colombiche says on Jan 31, 2008, 19:50:

Ernie is gone.. poof!! See how easy that was?

And robi if the board was unmoderated as you claim it would be a zoo. You just don't see the work we do behind the scenes.. Your criticism rather than constructive, was rather harsh, but thanks for speaking up.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 31, 2008, 20:48:

Gringoloid, I attacked you once. Well, if you count me calling you a nena when I was drunk on Busch Light an atack. jajaja

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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goin_south says on Jan 31, 2008, 20:52:

jeeeze, jorge; glad you weren't drinking the Heavy Stuff!

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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goin_south says on Jan 31, 2008, 20:54:

goin_north???
Hey manINred, wtf are you drinking? busch light?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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manINred says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:28:

lol! nar, i just figured that if you go far south enough, at one point or another you'll have to go back north...

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goin_south says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:32:

well, guess i've been goin_for quite awhile,... yer right! must be about past the tip of Chile/Argentina by now....

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:37:

manINred: Respectively asking here...I just took a good look at your Avatar - eeek. What is it? What does it represent? there must be a story behind that buxom woman with her skirt up

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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goin_south says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:38:

That's some 'Botero' artistry, si?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:41:

Yes....and she appears to be "falling" south from the look of it

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:42:

Or is that really just a big man in drag jajaja (did I say that - oops)

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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manINred says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:43:

well, this is the famous paisa Botero's work as goin_south pointed out.

CatGirl, I assume the lady represents the ordinary civilians of Colombia that have been turned upside down and thrown about by the violence inflicted upon them by the paraco/guerrilla standing firmly on the ground (perhaps representing the deeply ingrained nature of the conflict) in front of the Colombian symbols: the country map and flag.

That's my take on it.

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manINred says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:51:

Mind you I could be out to lunch though

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:51:

Hmmmm...that's an interesting artistic assumption. The garters for some reason seem to have some significance I am sure. Also the fact that this lady looks like once she lands....she could probably take him out, given her stout stature.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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manINred says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:56:

Haha, very true CatGirl. Botero has a propensity to paint fat people. If you look at a variety of his work, everyone's fat. He doesn't call them fat, but it's just his style. I don't know whether her stout nature represents anything different from the rest of the stout-natured characters that appear in his work, but the stockings could very well be significant. I couldn't tell you how though... perhaps just visually strengthening the allusion to overall chaos that ordinary civilians are subjected to at the hands of paracos/guerrilla?

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goin_south says on Jan 31, 2008, 21:58:

well,... perhaps we should call on our friend: analyzethis1... si?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 22:00:

Maybe its just to reveal that there is something of significance holding up those bold Queen sized stockings and they are NOT coming down, even after a great fall, jaja

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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manINred says on Jan 31, 2008, 22:03:

well, perhaps! maybe the dignity and pride of the people will still remain intact, thus the stockings stay :)

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 22:08:

GS - pleeze no. I saw that post. Too much codependency in that one. No...pleeze no

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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goin_south says on Jan 31, 2008, 22:12:

naaawh. Analyzethis1 is a good soul, tyring to help. That's all.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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CatGirl says on Jan 31, 2008, 22:21:

Yes..I agree. The subject is very strong too. Problem is, he is trying to help in an area he has very little control over - even if he wasn't in Canada. Teenagers...hormonally impaired. He'd be better off going up against Hillary and winning. Sorry to say. My heart bleeds, but I know where I can't help. He should too. Hope he's not disappointed finding out she gets pregnant after all the work he's put into this. I can;t look.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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webmanco says on Feb 1, 2008, 04:12:

Hey Medio Pato don´t feel so left out.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Albatross says on Feb 1, 2008, 04:28:

A... 100% Free Speech

"Number one has already been tried, prior to 2003. It didn't work." - Desi

What do you mean, it didn't work ?
Did PBH expode in a storm of insults and profanity ?... did it whither and die ?... did members start killing each other or themselves ?

How exactly does moderation make the conversatation better ?

The way I see it, everyone has the right to say whatever they want...
(of course, everyone else has the right to think they're an asshole for saying it.)

As a child, I remember the saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me".
Maybe it's time for the PC "adults" to show the strength their children had.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 1, 2008, 09:49:

Albatross, I wish Peter was making this comment himself instead of me. The site turned into a nightmere and that was the reason why he started it all over and made everybody register, before that the most common user handle here was "anonymous". It turned into a battlefield of trolls and bored teenagers; not the great travellers' forum it was intended.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 1, 2008, 10:06:

I wish to thank you guys for your support to the mod team and you guys who think we suck, well what can I say except that picture yourself in our shoes and give yourself a pat in the back.

When Colombiche started this thread I had some hopes of seeing a little constructive criticism and some fresh, new ideas how you preferred to have this board moderated, but instead we got a returning troll telling us how bad we were, some established members that we thought were reasonably happy with us telling us how much we sucked, but on the sacles, much positive fedback and recogintion for our effort to keep this board functional.

The outcome was pretty much as I thought it would be, refeering to the original questionof the post. Some people do not want to be moderated at all and have a thick skin and would prefer to weather the storm without any intervention from mods. Some others think we should be srticter and go by the book; one two three strikes and you're out. The majority seems to agree, thought, that some moderation is necessary to keep the site functional.

I want to make one small clarification. We are different individuals and with a slightly different criteria, but a common policy. It's only trolls that are kicked out without warning and without consulting with each other. Any established member (and I mean established not just in seniority but the quality and amount of useful contributions) deserves to be warned before showing him/her the highway. For me, at least, the quality and standards of this forum are a number one priority.
And as, Elmo would say,
thank you!

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 10:23:

"Any established member (and I mean established not just in seniority but the quality and amount of useful contributions) deserves to be warned before showing him/her the highway"

I guess the interesting part of this statement is "warned" - as in how many times constitutes sufficient warning prior to doors banging on asses, before it becomes obvious that warnings aren't working?? ;) twice? 5 times? 30? depends on the relative value of the non-offending posts, I guess.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 1, 2008, 10:41:

By warning I mean private, personal warning by e-mail. Not a slap on the wrist or a plea to keep it civil.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 10:45:

cool. none of my business, really. only mildly curious, Des. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Mr. Hollywood says on Feb 1, 2008, 11:44:

Just to be clear, I'm very thankful for the effort you mods put into this board.

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 11:52:

Yes...I agree with Mr H - and that special button I pushed made this thread look all the better - LOL

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Feb 1, 2008, 12:01:

kalder says on Feb 1, 2008, 12:05:

Gent.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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goin_south says on Feb 1, 2008, 14:04:

and, thank you, Peter; how incomplete our lives would be .... without PBH.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 14:11:

yes, thanks Peter.

p.s. hope my remarks were not misunderstood, I think the mods do as good a job as possible, with just the one exception I mentioned, so that's pretty good.

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Man Tequila says on Feb 1, 2008, 18:16:

I´ve always said the moderators did a very good job. I think Robi had a very valid point in his original post, and it seems most of the moderators did too. I think it is now unfair of him to say the board is ummoderated or that it is a free for all, no one is perfect and the moderators made it very clear they could be contacted privately in an ambiguous situation.

ManInRed summed up my thoughts quite well. Obviously the moderators need to use discretion in enforcing the rules that already exist. I don´t see the examples Robi originally gave as being a particularly difficult call, and I would have banned the propogator. In the long run, of course, it is not that big a deal.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Man Tequila says on Feb 1, 2008, 18:38:

Know what you mean. I said something like ¨why are the moderators against free speech¨, which they CLEARLY are not. It might have been misinterpreted. It was meant to be ironic and facetious, but was probably just a little dumb. My apologies. If they read this. ;)

In medical school, I was asked to speak to the Dean when I slipped this line into one of the ten essays we had to do that year: ¨None of us really believe that the markers read these in detail anyway¨. He thought it was terribly inappropriate. Once a chit disturber?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 21:42:

man t you just reinforce my belief that colombia tends to attract people who are not exactly 'by the book', which is a very good thing IMHO, but some people are waaaaay out there

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 21:50:

I agree, MTequila is out of control ;))

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 21:52:

one day, billyb, you me and man t are gonna get drunk together and have one hell of a good laugh.

Let's hope it's in cali?

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 21:55:

am I invited? ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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goin_south says on Feb 1, 2008, 21:55:

hey I-Pod, every party needs a 'medio patico'

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:01:

even better, slguy and patico too.

I'm a little drunk you see, trying to type the bare minimum before I collapse, it's freakin' 4 am here

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:03:

I'm a lot drunk, in mourning.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:03:

and gringoloid, no party can be without gringoloid (and his step daughter jaja)

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:04:

For sure Pod. SL it wouldn't be a party with out a drunken sailor ;) i'll be in cali march to early april, if any of you are going to be there (patico?) let's get together. although i'll be doing family stuff at the fincas and Pereira the first week, i am free in cali thereafter, and drinks the first night are on me.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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goin_south says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:07:

March is looking more in favor.
But... and... I really have my sights on Cali Feria this year.
I don't think there's too many arms to twist for that one anymore in the future.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:07:

billy, I don't know the exact date, but we're going to do that.

I'll buy drinks the 4th night (when no one can take any more, being as I'm a tacano canadian and all)

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:07:

I'd like that a lot! (but I'm thinking I need to see pics of the stepdaughter - so I know whether to be sporting my eye patch or not!)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:11:

(when no one can take any more, being as I'm a tacano canadian and all)

Pod, does that have to do with so many canucks having scottish extraction??

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:11:

well no one's confirmed it, but I am gullible enough to believe that #5 in the medellin photos thread might have been related to gringoloid's girlfriend??

as I type this I am thinking I really have no idea what I am talking about

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:13:

yes I think there's some truth to it billy. One of my grandfathers was from paisley, about as scottish as you get. lots in canada I think.

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:18:

My dad, being one of the original brit OGs in cali had a huge circle of brit friends in cali back in the day and they used to hang at our house in cali, and i remember my mom (pereirana) talking shit (good naturedly (SP) of course) about how they hung around for the free booze, jajaja. typical paisa, no?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:25:

speaking of those fotos.......I BEGGED, repeatedly, for someone to tell me who that girl in the gold dress is. Desi told me her name is Patricia, and something about a tiger- but that's all I ever got. Undoubtedly she belongs to a poster here - but I sure would like to know more!

I just scrolled myself half to death- and couldn't decide which was #5. Couldn;t be my 90 proof blood that's the problem, could it?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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podborski says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:26:

it's funny how true some stereotypes are huh?

I only know a few paisas but they are ambitious and hard working as anyone I have ever seen.

I know a few scots, and they find it hard to part with a nickel. I'm sure your dad's friends hung out for the cameraderie, but the free booze sure wouldn't hurt!

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:30:

true pod. Hey was Paelocito (sp) #4 on those pics SL? and what about #16? we need gringloid or robi to set us straight.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:32:

are those pics still up w/ numbers somewhere? I seem to recall someone saying that paleo was mislabeled....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:36:

I hope not, cause i have this image of paleo being that hot little feisty paisa ;))

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:41:

I would never say this sober......but there are a couple gringo posters here with surprisingly attractive wives, if you get my drift. ;)

(yes, I just followed the link. still no numbers.)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:42:

/

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:44:

?? eywed post a pic of the wife to confirm:))

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:45:

Yes..he did

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:46:

"Yes..he did"

Kitty??

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:49:

the truth is- I only know one of the guilty parties- and it ain't you, Ey! And despite my piratical nature, my southern gent upbringing prevents me pointing out the guilty parties. ;)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Now I remember! You DO have a VERY attractive wife, Ey! But it wasn't you i was referring to.

sorry. blame it on rum.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:52:

/

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:53:

Billy B - During interrogation, we forced pics of his wife and family. It was brutal. He was dripping in sweat, but he shared, jaja

Slgy: Honey? U OK? You have a wife you forgot about and Now found?

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:54:

Once i get released from rehab- I'll be ready! jajajajajjajaa

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:56:

Kitty, did you have to throw "family" in there? I was going to ask if his wife was hot, but now I feel sort of (only sort of) dirty :)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:56:

Hey...a show of hands... how many here are drunk?

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:59:

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Ay Hombe!!!!!

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 22:59:

I'm guessing this foto never sees the light of day here- but it clearly demonstrates my track record with wives. The title? "A Man's Life".

I just couldn't leave it up. I recall someone whining the other day, because a youtube clip was too strong for her daughter.....

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:00:

/

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:01:

Clearly,sobriety has NOT reared it's ugly head with me tonite.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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goin_south says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:02:

a couple o olive leaves, slguy.. and you'll be okay

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:04:

Damn, eywed, my compliments (on the wife that is jajaj), but you could have had the decency of cropping yourself out, just kidding jeje. very nice. Kitty, depends what you mean by drunk. are you? We are just up the road from each other you know, jeje.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:05:

exactly how big is an olive leaf, anyway? I'm guessing just for her, more than two leaves are needed.

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:08:

BTW, slguy, with a rack like that i would have let her lead me by el cubanito like that also, what can you do??

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:08:

Thanks Billy , Sorry if I hurt your eyes , NOT! Seems everything has a price.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:08:

.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:09:

story of my life, billy. I have grooves worn in it, from that exact problem.....

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:11:

!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:11:

Meeting during the SB? let me know if it gets too boring ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:12:

SB?

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:15:

Superbowl, sunday.....hello?? just kidding jaja.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:16:

ey,I have a challenge for you. write a melody in your accordian style (wht the hell is that called again?) using these lyrics. The perfect country lyrics- they cover everything.

I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison.
So I went to pick her up in the rain.
but before I could get to the station in my pickup truck
she got runned over by a damned old train.

Betcha can't do it.

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:18:

!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:20:

right! I knew that!

sorry. for us gringos of ummm..a certain age- accordians scream Lawrence Welk. Difficult for me to get past that.....;)

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:20:

Billyb- OMG- I forgot about that...well that will be interesting. Benihana's look out!

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:24:

I love bennie's. Is it all ladies??

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:25:

I'm guessing it is since it is taking place during the SUPERBOWL!!!!

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:26:

Slguy , I take it you have never been to a vallenat concert. Old L W himself would learn to play Vallenato music had he known.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:32:

I'm thinking I'll learn something about it in MIA soon. ;) and if your lovely wife has a single sister, I'll study before I go! jajajajajajaja

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:34:

She does , She is 21 and 4 inches taller than my wife. They look like twins.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:34:

BillyB: No sweeite...all political business.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:36:

eywed?? forget the drunk sailor (no offense slguy) what about a fellow paisa for her sister??

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:37:

She is in Medellin , Next time ur there let me know.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:38:

Damn! 21, ey? she'd kill me, I'm afraid...jajajajjajajajaa but there's something to be said fro dying happy, no? ;)

her family is calena?

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:40:

I have been meaning to visit my cousins in medallo for a while, jeje. keep your PM open in march and april :)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:40:

oops. delayed post. paisa? even MORE trouble! jajajajajajaja

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:42:

forget the drunk sailor? FORGET the drunk sailor??????????

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:42:

What a way to go!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:43:

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:44:

Ok boys...I will leave you be to your cyberchat room...purrrr...nite.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:45:

"forget the drunk sailor? FORGET the drunk sailor??????????:

jajaja, that is funny slguy. Damn, what are you trying to do eywed??, keep it up, nontheless, jjajaj. pardon me for asking, but is that the wifey??

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:46:

I'm guessing that would be lil sis.

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:46:

Oh - but you gave me some great ideas for some good poses. Problem is, more than my handful, jajaja

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:47:

No thats the sister , here they are together.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:48:

You got two hands

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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CatGirl says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:50:

Yeah, but I have 2 uno....They would spill over a bit I think. Kind of like the grape leaf comment - won't have quite the same effect...hahaha

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:51:

You go ahaed and take the pictures and we will let you know if there ok or not. We are kind that way.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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billyb says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:53:

jaja, eywed , i love the typical colombian furniture in the background.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:54:

Yup , some funny looking stuff!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:57:

I got to say , My wife and her family are really nice people. There are two other sisters also. There both married tho.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:57:

Don't let it bother ya, sweetie. I have a spare pair of hands, if ya need help!

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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eywed says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:58:

See cat , we are here to help!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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slguy says on Feb 1, 2008, 23:59:

that's it for the drunk sailor. nite all!

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eywed says on Feb 2, 2008, 00:01:

Meeee tooo see you all later

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 2, 2008, 03:15:

Sorry to hijack this thread one more time but I believe you guys who have been using it as a chat room must be sleeping now.

Robi; I know that you and GIB are buddies and you believe that he has been treated harshly by the mods by allowing first Clavo and then RAAY to be on his case? Both the aforementioned posters have been contacted and I believe the the problem is over for now, at least.

I didn't read most of GIB's threads because I have to chose how I use my time and I didn't even imagine that adult men discussing money matters (dollar up peso down) would get in such ridiculous feuds, boy was I wrong! Now, you have to accept that GIB's way of expressing himself can be rather abrasive; it has gotten much smoother, but especially at the beginning he made many enemies on this board.

Now, I'm not the only moderator here, we're a team and if I didn't apply a heavy hand on those occasions it looked like there was a consensus between us how to handle it.

Anyway, a certain amount of teasing, kidding and chain-yanking between adults may not look so bad on an internet forum, especially between long-time members who know each other quite well. If you're not involved in those exchanges yourself you might not be able to point out exactly when it stops being friendly and turns into stalking. So, I might have been slow to react to it, or we might have been slow as a team, but I have NEVER been contacted by GIB who was the target and as far as I know, the other mods have not been contacted either.

All I ever got from GIB was publicly complaining that my moderation was bad, my opinions sucked and that whatever information I gave was incorrect. Yet I took a clear stance that in spite of his obvious antagonism towards me I would still treat him fairly and warn these people who were stalking him (if that could be called stalking) and if didn't help, I'd take more severe action. It has helped and things have calmed down.

I'm not bitter, robi nor did I want to hear just how great I was. (not all the time, anyway ;)),
but calling this board "unmoderated" after all the hours I put into it, was a little harsh.

Cheers.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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podborski says on Feb 2, 2008, 04:08:

hate to beat a dead horse desi, but I think if you read the threads where GIB was harrased, he said absolutely nothing abrasive until long after RAAAY and clavo started insulting him. Only after that went on for a while did he start to insult them in return. So I think that's why he got mad/frustrated and the rest of us think it was a bit odd that nothing was done (until now).

But I also know his comments directed at you were pretty abrasive without needing to be, so I can see why you might have had the wrong impression.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 2, 2008, 04:37:

Until now?
Clavo's been gone for a year now and I warned him long time before he disappeared from the board. RAAY is more recent but I was not fully aware how bad it was until a couple months ago.

Oh, I didn't mean that he (GIB) was especially abrasive in those specific threads, I was referring more to his overall style of expressing himself which earned him the illwill of some posters, long before the actual harassing threads.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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podborski says on Feb 2, 2008, 05:47:

I realize clavo's been gone for a while (is it really a year? wow, time flies).

Anyway, it's all good now, I was just trying to explain how I and a few others saw it.

And I think we also can see how GIB (or Rubito for that matter) annoy some people (as I am sure I do too), none of us are perfect. But stating your very strong opinion about something (especiallyabout stocks or currencies for god's sake) should hardly offend anyone.

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webmanco says on Feb 2, 2008, 06:19:

GL
Fair moderation is measuring everyone by the same stick.

I understand a few of you might be friends with DG, but that doesn´t excuse him of threatening (badmouthing ) posters left and rigth. I do understand Clavo and '----------: Raaay,----------------- if they are a little rude in their words is because they had been treated alike by DG.

I don´t roll a red carpet to anyone, if that doesn´t suit a few, let it be.

A lot of us are patethic, a lot more are paranoi.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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podborski says on Feb 2, 2008, 07:25:

that's pretty sad of you webmanco, I thought you wouldn't stoop so low as to only print GIB's REPLIES to those people harassing him. Why not show the whole thread?

you are proving GIB's point though, that some people seem to ignore all the attacks on him and then jump on him when he replies. Or maybe you have clavo on ignore and didn't see his posts? Is that your excuse?

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webmanco says on Feb 2, 2008, 07:28:

Pod,
I am not a moderator, neither a defender of anyone. You don´t like to view different points of view, fine with me.

I mind my own business, don´t have time to print other people´s attacks.

I don´t have anyone on ignore list, I don´t like it, I listen to all points of view, regardless of where they come from.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 2, 2008, 07:28:

"Those people" are himself, webmanco. Would you please provide me a link to that thread, pedro?

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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podborski says on Feb 2, 2008, 07:47:

I love different points of view webman, but unlike you I am at least honest enough to present both sides of the story.

So if anyone really cares to see the truth, whether GIB is the one who starts things or clavo and RAAAY, just take a look at this thread: http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/commentary-by-axel-merk-on-the-c...

That's one of many. And RAAAY is much more restrained than clavo ever was. Most of their comments have been deleted, so you probably can't see how bad they really were, but you can see enough to know the truth if you care too.

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webmanco says on Feb 2, 2008, 07:57:

Both sides of the history?? jajjaja You are just playing the lawyer of the evil, well of the angel for many. Not hard feelings,

I don´t want to give this subject any importance, congratulations for been so honest, heaven awaits for you.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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RAAAY says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:00:

Holy shit..................I've just opened this thread......................and I'm the subject of conversation in all the recent comments....................I'm watching the rugby match.........don't have time for this nonsense................

.but Pod.......................I just opened the thread you posted above.............and this is what you use to illustrate my starting an attack on my friend in Bogota...?????

I pointed out a simple fact........he is consistantly wrong............this is not an attack....it's just a fact..........

And as for who started throwing insults.............you posted it......read it yourself.







RAAAY says on Thursday January 3rd, 2008 12:11: edit

So I arrive back from a nice long trip into the wilderness.....................whats the first thing I read on PBH.............why, it's none other than HIMSELF telling us how smart he is......


...." He is following me to the party on this "......

The only consistnent thing about your opinion of the direction of the peso is.............you are always .....always.....always wrong............


To make money trading the peso..............one would only have had to do the complete opposite of what you suggest................every time.......always.......


Axel Merk is following YOU..............Oh Lord..........gimmie a break

....who knows.??..



Tinto says on Thursday January 3rd, 2008 12:12:

Ray, let's not get into this again. He's on-topic and he's not soliciting investors. Just ignore him.


gringoinbogota says on Thursday January 3rd, 2008 12:13:

Well there is old RAAAAYYY Give me a kiss honey I missed ya!

"Just too many people want to take their American flag cookie cutter and place it firmly over their Colombian experience, press down and bake that shit up and then diss anyone that cracks that cookie." Me



RAAAY says on Thursday January 3rd, 2008 12:15: edit

A kiss.............and you don'teven know .....but you bought me a beer in Bogota............jajajaj
I had a great night...........pity you did'nt stay longer.....

....who knows.??..



gringoinbogota says on Thursday January 3rd, 2008 12:16:

yea that is a pity and I didn't even know it was you. Yep that is a damn shame.....I think I am going to cry.......... Yep I remember that beer damn you hot girl!

"Just too many people want to take their American flag cookie cutter and place it firmly over their Colombian experience, press down and bake that shit up and then diss anyone that cracks that cookie." Me



RAAAY says on Thursday January 3rd, 2008 12:18: edit

Tinto...............get into what again....???
I'm merely pointing out that the soothsayer in Bogota is ALWAYS wrong in hi peso predictions.......................this is a fact .........as can be seen by anyone that takes the trouble to go back over his old comments..................

....who knows.??..



RAAAY says on Thursday January 3rd, 2008 12:19: edit

And ..anyway.............Happy New Year everybody............even HIMSELF

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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podborski says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:15:

RAAAY I'm sure you see it your way, but to an objective person reading it you are clearly instigating it.

If you disagree with his predictions why not just say so? Something like, " as usual GIB, I disagree completely, I think you're wrong etc."

Maybe you don't realize how obnoxious you come across in those posts. I'd say GIB was pretty restrained replying to you, more than I would have been.

And as Tinto makes clear, this was merely the most recent case of many of your harrasing attacks on him, and you heeded his warning.

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RAAAY says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:30:

Well.........whatever you think yourelf..............either way............Ireland beat those eye-talians.......16-11


Like you say.....an objective peron reading it can see who is instigating what...

You pasted the post.........my first comment on it is above.........my very first comment was GIB is always wrong..........yes, this would appear to be me instigating something..........

However, the subject of the post was " GIB is right and the experts are now beginning to realise this......"

My comments were entirely correct.........He posted this thing to toot his own trumpet.................show me one of his endless predictions that has been correct ...........Not alone is it legitimate to point out how he is consistantly wrong..........his comments, in fact, should come with a dis-claimer............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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podborski says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:48:

I know what you're saying RAAAY, but you just come across as way too harsh and personal, and only with GIB.

The rest of us aren't (too) stupid, we can read and understand when people are full of it or not, it's just not a big deal.

I disagree with sr tertius all the time, and I probably get obnoxious with him, but I at least try not to insult him personally, although when I think about it, I probably failed there, oops.

Besides, EVERYBODY knows a prediction on the market is just a guess, so no one takes it seriously.

As opposed to certain people whom I believe (rightly or not) are apologists for terrorists, for example. I think that's a little more deserving of, uh, a 'passionate' response.

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slguy says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:53:

I'll give ya a "passionate" response. If I get my hands on the elephant that crapped in my mouth last nite, his feet will make a good coffee table!

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:54:

I seem to have re-opened a can of worms...this is the proverbial kodak moment for a group hug and let the bygones be bygones and boys, the beer's on the house and kumbaya my lord kumbaya.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:54:

I say it once I say it twice this isn't the paradise

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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slguy says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:57:

I just realized Des, that it's saturday. I was wondering, very late last night, where you were. There were souls here that needed saving. I was expecting a moment of prayer with you, before you trotted off to work. Kumbaya, etc. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 2, 2008, 08:59:

What happened with those poor souls? Were they sent to the eternal damnation or did they stay in limbo?

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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slguy says on Feb 2, 2008, 09:06:

"What happened with those poor souls? Were they sent to the eternal damnation or did they stay in limbo?"

Pod seems to have survived- even though his time zone conspires against him. The others apparently continue in purgatory, along with yours truly.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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slguy says on Feb 2, 2008, 09:11:

No kidding, robi? They're building a marina in Santa Marta? EXCELLENT news!

I think raaay and GIB really like duking it out. otherwise, one of them would just hit the ignore button and be done with it....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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podborski says on Feb 2, 2008, 09:18:

I agree! With everybody.

All water under the bridge.

Like slguy, I too am feeling the effects of too much alcohol.

I'd even drink a toast to the irish beating italy if I could face the thought of a drink....maybe later tonight.

Right now, I have to get some greasy food or something...

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slguy says on Feb 2, 2008, 09:26:

pod, this is the one saving grace to life in the southern US. There's ALWAYS a Waffle House nearby, for a grease fix. Think I'll mosey on other there....

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Man Tequila says on Feb 2, 2008, 12:42:

You know, my Dad is from Yorkshire. I´m one quarter Scottish. I had a Jewish grandmother. Both my parents were raised in wartime England by parents who felt the Depression. I am Canadian.

If it is possible to be more tacaño than that, I´d be surprised. Although I´ve never stopped to pick up a hubcap and I stay in nice hotels. ;)

And I have a fairly free hand when it comes to buying drinks.

I have met GIB and am sure I´d get along with RAAAY. Both tend to dish it out more than they can take it, so a truce might work. For ten minutes or so. ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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aztec says on Feb 3, 2008, 05:34:

I don't know RAAAAY or gringoinbogota but a cursory review of the posts of each (7 for RAAAAY and 167 for GIB) reveals more usable content in the posts of GIB.

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goin_south says on Feb 3, 2008, 11:48:

.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 3, 2008, 13:05:

gringoinbogota member since November 8,2004
RAAAY member since April 19,2007

Yes, of course, GIB has contributed more. RAAAY is still almost a newbie here.

I'm really tired of all these feuds. Who do we vote off the island? Or do we keep all of them and have duke it out here? Perhaps it's time for me to step down.

RAAAY hasn't been bothering GIB since I last intervened. I can't keep these guys apart if they don't start ignoring each other voluntarily. I am not kicking RAAAY out if there is no further harassment. This is getting to be too much like my work now, no fun. I'm all talked out on this topic and have no further suggestions.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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CatGirl says on Feb 3, 2008, 13:24:

I agree with Desid. Be adults. Stop asking her to be the parent! This subject is getting really old...really old and pointless. Enough is enough. Please

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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slguy says on Feb 3, 2008, 15:32:

oh come on! I think this topic deserves AT LEAST 300-400 more posts. sheesh.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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goin_south says on Feb 3, 2008, 17:32:

break-a-leg, or break a record.
Catgirl, you would appreciate at least one line of the 'beloved?' Gomezman5: 'NUFF SAID'

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Colombiche says on Feb 3, 2008, 19:44:

"This is getting to be too much like my work now, no fun"

Desi, don't you work with preschoolers? hahaha.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Man Tequila says on Feb 3, 2008, 20:40:

Preschoolers have a great capacity for learning.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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Colombiche says on Feb 3, 2008, 20:46:

You can ground preschoolers.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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ujay says on Feb 3, 2008, 21:50:

Gb,time to grow up mate and stop moaning about being attacked all the time,I never had to go too far back to come up with 6 times you have moaned about this,its the Internet,I don't care who says what ,they can call my wife a whore call me a pedo what ever ,I just smile ,its the Internet ,would they say the same to my face I don't think so ,but as I will never meet them they are free to carry on,I will not be calling for them to be banned or censored in any way ,
All these people who say I have been a member for years ,who gives a fuck,I don't care you been a member for 1 year or 1 day,all the same to me.
I can read and reply to a post ,or I can choose not to,but never will I call for ban or peter to stop them.

Ray ,if you are thinking of bring in furniture ,well I would say don't bother ,no money in this ,it will cost you in the end .PM me if you want to know why.

As for the trolls bring them on ,I love it,as for most of you others on here 80% of you talk shit ,know nothing,help no one,just reply with one liners ,use the site as a joke , then its the Internet carry on it should be free speech no matter what you say.

I will start to call gringoloid a prick again if he don't do what he told me ,but then hes man enough to take what I dish out.

So get a life all of you,this shit about I got this, I done that, I'm worth more ,its time to all get on,this site is about helping out ,not about building up ones ego .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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MitchAlvarez says on Feb 3, 2008, 23:21:

I like RAY and GIB.

I dont think you guys need to prolong this any further.

Just ignore each other. Blow some steam and then give it another chance.

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eywed says on Feb 3, 2008, 23:23:

Hell Gib I never attack ya but you make me want too.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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podborski says on Feb 4, 2008, 03:13:

jejeje eyewed

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webmanco says on Feb 4, 2008, 03:58:

Ujay

All these people who say I have been a member for years ,who gives a fuck,I don't care you been a member for 1 year or 1 day,all the same to me.


Right on the spot. Everything you wrote I agree with, life goes on. Crying to the mods or third parties getting involve are just feeding the "troll". Give peace a chance.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Feb 4, 2008, 08:38:

You guys think we can beat the World Cup Predictions thread? We only need 100 new comments.

GIB, why don't you take a little break from us?

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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webmanco says on Mar 31, 2008, 13:29:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

There are two sides to the coin

The use of the freedom of expression

The ABUSE of freedom of expression

The second one can be applied when comments are done base on gossip, but when you got power like manipulating the media, Caracol, RCN, etc things get worse because you are sending information to many people at the time.

In the internet owners of websites their assistants, when given little power and do edit or delete your threads or posts without any just cause, then the freedom of expression is being put into test.


On a second though maybe Jaime Garzon thought the same way "life goes on", I guess not.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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aztec says on Apr 1, 2008, 06:39:

Free speech!!

No one can define free speech but most can recognize it. Where Desi draws the line will in all probability be at a different point where someone else places the marker.

I am aware many of you will think abhorrent any mention of U.S. law. Nevertheless, I would like to use the definition of the limits of free speech given by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic."

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webmanco says on Apr 1, 2008, 06:39:

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/freedom-of-expresion-in-colombia...

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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kalder says on Apr 1, 2008, 06:41:

Free speech.

It's sacred.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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Juanes says on Apr 1, 2008, 09:05:

is this threadt going for the record of number of posts or what ?

over 100 answers about peanut butter.....blimey..

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 09:29:

El Polo says on Apr 1, 2008, 09:32:

ok, with that said you just eliminated yourself as the main suspect in my ongoing moderator fraud investigation Kat. :)))

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 09:43:

Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Apr 1, 2008, 09:47:

C'mon, kat....don't be ashamed to admit it....

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 09:48:

kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 09:54:

nueva york bombero says on Apr 1, 2008, 09:58:

It just seems that way! Maybe you have a voice of authority???

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:01:

webmanco says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:03:

Asi es mejor, mirar los toros desde la barrera, todo a su debido tiempo, solo que hay que estar preparado cuando hay que salir al ruedo.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Juanes says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:07:

i dont believe she is a moderator at all guys, maybe a terminator...hasta pronto baby..she always comes back with the final answer......right thats enough, going to watch roma draw with man utd .

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:14:

webmanco says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:15:

They should have a Sombrero Voltiao :-)

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:38:

webmanco says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:43:

How many aaaa´s it takes for Ray?

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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webmanco says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:49:

Yeah right

http://poorbuthappy.com/raaay/

Off his profile

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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bamacellist says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:49:

I think it would be a great boon to the purpose of the forum for the moderators to be much more active about deleting off topic comments within a thread. This would eliminate a lot of stupidity and sniping. It would encourage a freer exchange of real and useful information and commentary. People seem to be confused about whether this is a chatroom or a forum and threads drift and deteriorate and become useless far too frequently. How about a report this comment link? I'd bet it would take Peter less than 10 minutes to put into place. I don't think the actual POST topics are nearly as big an issue. It's not that big a deal to ignore a post that isn't interesting. And, I think that a few weeks of diligently ensuring that comments stay on topic might get even the lamest smart-asses to clean themselves up and allow everyone to get better use from this board.

Examples? As I type this, Albatross is looking for advice on what sort of engagement ring to give his Colombian fiance. This is obviously important to him and a very valid culturally motivated request. This decision is going to last a lifetime. Yet, someone felt it necessary to post this comment: "you must be a troll" Why? I see that frequently enough that I believe it's a symptom of a problem here. If you don't "get" the question, move on. Why on earth would you presume that "not important or valid to your mind" equals "not important or valid AT ALL"? Someone alse posted the scoffing response "Get married....jajjajjajajajajjaaa....... married.......jaajjjajaajjajajajajaaaaaa..." Again, why would someone do that? As it turns out, the board is doing a great job of not allowing these inanities to interfere with the thread, but that is not always the case and some people just don't know when to give it up. Someone once asked something like "What do Colombian children dream of becoming when they grow up?" It had never occurred to me to ask this, but it was a fascinating thing to ponder: what are the dormant dreams of children that help shape the Colombian psyche? This would certainly be an appropriate place to seek an answer. I believe the first comment was "You're kidding, right?" followed closely by "this can't be serious" and closely again by "this thread needs to be hijacked". It was all downhill from there, not a single genuine response. To me that's sad. Lots of posts never become threads, and that's ok, but that one had no chance because of the self-centered childishness of just a handful of nitwits. That's a shame. Oh, it's important to have fun and to not take everything in life too seriously, but does believing that relieve us of the need to be civilized and respectful? Do you honestly believe behavior like this doesn't have larger consequences as far as discouraging people from participating? I don't know about the complaints of lack of "fairness", but in this regard, I believe more moderation could be helpful.

Just my two cents worth of free speech.

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:50:

pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 10:54:

RAAAY says on Apr 1, 2008, 11:51:

Yeah ,............ya wee f**er..............the mistake you made was not changing my password..
If you had changed it before posting all that crap........I would'nt have been able to log on......................dumb Eye-Talian.........



weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee




.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Apr 1, 2008, 12:20:

I still don't know what's "yenta" approach.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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RAAAY says on Apr 1, 2008, 14:23:

Desi............don't you think this woulfd be a great time to banish Robi alltogether..........confine him to posting in the Bolivia section for about one month..............then let everybody decide if he should be allowed back..........



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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 14:48:

Colombiche says on Apr 1, 2008, 15:25:

This is soon to become one of the top 5 Colombia section threads of all time.... will I bump gomezman and his world cup thread? Stay tuned.....

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Man Tequila says on Apr 1, 2008, 16:44:

The top thread of all time was deleted, since it contained people just talking. Gomezman has already been bumped. If you want this thread to make it, I would combine the PBH megatopics -- is it safer to travel to Bogota, Cali or Medellin to tip "good" 100% Colombian women who like vallenato, sauce, and World cup soccer?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 1, 2008, 16:46:

Man Tequila says on Apr 1, 2008, 17:06:

Hmm... If Morphus wants to extend his visit, is it safer to travel to Cartagena or Medellin at 3am to shave the buttcracks of good 100% Colombian women in his stabbin cabin who like World Cup soccer and chicharrones, but not scopolamina nor FARC nor insulting folks by calling them gringos?

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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poco says on Apr 1, 2008, 21:09:

Quote: I checked on Alexa.com and Poorbuthappy.com has a traffic rank of: 114,574. In a world where millions and millions of websites exists that means a lot of eyes out there are reading the stuff we post.

Yes, many times I've referred posts or cut them out and emailed them to Colombians. One recent post (they ought to put a bullet in their brain) was a great thing for someone to say.

Imagine, foreigners for NO REASON thikng it is OK to kill your relatives or,,, I love this,, interfer with your country.

Colombian Chickens are crowing about the new President of the U.S. who will assure that From each according to their ability to each according to their need.

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Colombiche says on Apr 2, 2008, 11:40:

Okay, but if it was deleted then chao pescao LOL.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Albatross says on Apr 2, 2008, 11:53:

"... a lot of eyes out there are reading the stuff we post."

Have I mentioned lately how much I love my President... and how much I admire his masterpiece - "Operation Iraqi Freedom"... I just wish the constitution would allow him to remain our beloved President forever.

“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Albatross says on Apr 2, 2008, 11:53:

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“Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Colombiche says on Apr 2, 2008, 12:22:

thanks for doing your part to keep the thread alive albatross... every post counts, even the dot.... watch out gomexman!!! LOL.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Apr 2, 2008, 13:28:

Okay, shoot, what threads?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Man Tequila says on Apr 2, 2008, 14:17:

I've got some bad news. You'll want to sit down. Here, have some Fresca.

http://poorbuthappy.com/raaay

This thread won't even come close to the record. Gomezman5 will pay off the big money boys and make this pescao swim away.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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bamacellist says on Apr 2, 2008, 14:36:

What does this mean?

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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RAAAY says on Apr 2, 2008, 15:08:

Your days are numbered...............Off to Bolivia with you.............

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Juanes says on Apr 2, 2008, 15:31:

robi, you the man with no foto...i like to see the people who check my posts and private messages...cheers ears

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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Juanes says on Apr 2, 2008, 15:31:

robi, you the man with no foto...i like to see the people who check my posts and private messages...cheers ears

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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bamacellist says on Apr 2, 2008, 18:25:

Does that mean you've been deleted 665 times?

I'm running Mac OS 10.4. The browser is Opera 9 with the nash_browsers_hybrid skin.

"The future is much like the present, only longer."

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RAAAY says on Apr 2, 2008, 18:41:

robi666 says on Wednesday Apri

..." I thought so.."


There's a novel concept..............an Italian that can think !!


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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RAAAY says on Apr 2, 2008, 19:03:

7 letters..........EatShit........


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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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DodgerDogs says on Apr 2, 2008, 19:11:

Dai nemici mi guardo io, dagli amici mi guardi Iddio!

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.Martin Luther King:

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me gusta bailar says on Dec 23, 2008, 17:35:

I'm for Choice C. Fair & balanced, not crude & rude.
I'm not offended easily, but I enjoy this site for the helpful information it often provides. I also like the fact that it is a site that I can show my friends and family without any shame. If someone is looking for sheer entertainment, let them find a site that allows them to mudsling & talk b.s. all day. This site was designed to be a travel guide, for people who have travelled or want to travel to Colombia, or have some connection to Colombia. Let's keep that focus. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...as long as they express that opinion in a respectful way, even if you disagree with what is being said.

Gringita con el corazon de Colombianita

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