Favourite charity?

ColombianoGringo (Moderator) says on Jan 11, 2009, 01:28:

Jardin de la Alegria is a school in Manizales run by nuns for poor girls. They receive help from Children International(children.org), but might receive donations directly. My family and I have been dealing with this school since I was a kid and they do great work. Many of the girls we know have gone on to university and done well. I will find out more details and post them,

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. - Zaphod Beeblebrox, Former President of the Galaxy and inventor of the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 01:48:

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 02:02:

THERE ARE NONE ,
i give my self or i don't bother ,there is not one charity i know any where ,that does not pay staff ,60% of the money is keeping them in a job.

do it your self ,or its wasted money.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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webmanco says on Jan 11, 2009, 02:18:

I don´t know them but it seems they are helping.

I am glad there are a few fundations even if the stuff need to be paid. I rather do things myself as well but when help is needed it has to be given even if someone needs to be in a payroll.

Here is a fundation who is already doing what has been proposed here.

Amar y Servir entrega sillas de ruedas gratis a limitados físicos
Desde Bucaramanga se distribuyen para todo el país .

Las personas que por diversas circunstancias sufre limitaciones físicas o son invalidas, ahora podrán contar con un instrumento que les permite aliviar la carga que representan para sus familiares y movilizarse mejor para desarrollar sus actividades cotidianas, como trabajar, estudiar y participar de actividades recreativas.
Esta oportunidad la ofrece el ‘Programa 550 Sillas de Ruedas de la Esperanza’ que es liderado por la Fundación Amar y Servir, entidad sin ánimo de lucro que apoya la labor social de desarrolla la Compañía de Jesús -Jesuitas- en Colombia.
Según informó la directora del ‘Programa 550 Sillas de Ruedas de la Esperanza’, Margarita Ramírez, mediante la labor desarrollada por los voluntarios de Amar y Servir Miami (Estados Unidos), se logró la donación de 550 sillas de ruedas para Colombia, por parte de la Free Wheelchair Misión, que es una fundación que dona sillas de ruedas en todos el mundo.


“Esta es la primera que esta fundación dona sillas de ruedas para Colombia y fueron destinadas a Bucaramanga, para ser distribuidas en todo el país”, expresó Margarita Ramírez.
De igual manera, indicó que los voluntarios de Amar y Servir de la Delegación Santander se encargaron de recibir las sillas, asignarlas a los beneficiarios, armar estos muebles con la ayuda del SENA, distribuir y transportar las sillas desde Bucaramanga hacia las distintas ciudades donde son requeridas.


La directora del programa dijo que gracias al apoyo de los patrocinadores que ayudan en Bucaramanga, se ha podido cubrir el costo del transporte estas sillas desde la capital santandereana hasta los lugares de destino, que incluyen ciudades como Cali, Manizales, Tierra Alta (Córdoba), San Pablo sur de Bolívar, Granada (Meta), Cartagena, Barrancabermeja, Bogotá, Oiba, San Gil, Zapatoca, Aratoca, Betulia, Charalá y Bucaramanga y su Área Metropolitana.
La entrega de estas sillas inició hace aproximadamente mes y medio, y a la fecha se han entregado 317 sillas de ruedas, pero todavía quedan más de estos muebles para asignar a quienes las necesiten, explicó Margarita Ramírez.
“Por esta razón, las personas interesadas en obtener una de estas sillas de ruedas, pueden dirigirse al Colegio San Pedro Claver de Bucaramanga (carrera 28 No. 47 – 06), donde se les entrega el formulario de postulación respectivo, sin ningún costo. También pueden llamar al teléfono 6432323 extensión 745 o descargar el formulario directamente de la pagina web de la Fundación Amar y Servir, que es: www.amaryservir.org.co y lo envían a través del mail o correo electrónico”, señaló Margarita Ramírez.
Mediante ese formulario se hace el respectivo estudio al postulado para determinar si clasifica y se puede beneficiar con dichas sillas



http://www.elfrente.com.co/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5...

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 02:24:

yes but with these the ones that really need it don't get it ,some ones family member ,oh i know a friend ,they get them ,the poor down and out bend up gamin never get one .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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webmanco says on Jan 11, 2009, 02:37:

SOLICITUD DE DONACION.
escrito por Mario Medina Benavides, December 15, 2008

Muy respetuosamente solicito de alguna intitucion social o alguna persona de buen corazon y que se son muchas me colaboraran en una necesidad domestica y que es que mi hijo Alejandro Medina HACE 28 años sufrio una PARALISIS CEREBRAL, y que lo tiene postrado en una silla de ruedas viejita que con sacrificio le habia comprado hace muchos años, pero sucede que esta silla lo uno ya esta muy dañada nosotros somos de escasos recursos a parte que por mi edad ya no me dan trabajo en ninguna parte y como si fuera poco la casa que habiamos comprado el banco no la quito por el famoso UPAC, por esto quiero pedir la bondad de alguien nos pudiera ayudar con una silla de ruedas de sistema electrico ya que mi hijo no tiene fuerza en sus brazos debido a su incapacidad fisica, lo cual nos toca siempre nosotros transportarlo para todo lado pero si el lograra recibir esta donacion que bonito fuera en esta navidad seria algo que DIOS se los multiplicaria nosotros somos una familia cristiana esa es la riqueza mas grande que tenemos en el nombre de nuestro Señor JESUCRISTO, AMEN.
En el evento de haber esta posibilidad de donacion yo les haria llegar los certificados medicos que acreditan la incapacidad de mi hijo.

les anticipo mis agradecimientos y que DIOS LOS BENDIGA

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 02:40:

en el nombre de nuestro Señor JESUCRISTO,
now this is a waste of time .one day people will stop talking shit and wake up ,there is no god ,so just enjoy your life .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Shortiao says on Jan 11, 2009, 06:39:

Theres a charity called Ninos de los Andes...my wife collects for them.

I personally donate money to UNICEF every year. Theres people in need all over the world...not just Colombia

"cuando una persona toma otro pasaporte....pierde su identidad!" - Shortiao

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Shortiao says on Jan 11, 2009, 06:40:

http://www.ninandes.org/

http://unicef.org

"cuando una persona toma otro pasaporte....pierde su identidad!" - Shortiao

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 07:30:

THERE MAY BE ,BUT IM NOT ALL OVER THE WORLD AM i,
what you think we are father xmas can deliver to every house .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Shortiao says on Jan 11, 2009, 07:35:

Do you live in Colombia full time?

My reasons for donating to UNICEF is that they are a global charity helping children on all corners of this planet.

"cuando una persona toma otro pasaporte....pierde su identidad!" - Shortiao

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 07:40:

UNICEF,
do a goodle ,and see how much they pay them self's ,out the money you give them ,60% is wasted.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Shortiao says on Jan 11, 2009, 07:44:

.....ok....i'll just cut out UNICEF and donate my money to people on the street. Like they wont waste it on glue and drugs.....

"cuando una persona toma otro pasaporte....pierde su identidad!" - Shortiao

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 07:46:

give to the hookers and enjoy your self at same time

http://www.jukelightning.com

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Shortiao says on Jan 11, 2009, 08:04:

feed the world.

"cuando una persona toma otro pasaporte....pierde su identidad!" - Shortiao

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Gator says on Jan 11, 2009, 08:06:

We have long supported the Instituto Santa Maria,in Cali for years. his is run for girls only and is in a very poor area of Cali They do a great job and any contributions will be appreciated. We donate school supplies and have an informal relationship with two Staples in Miami/Dade County. The managers save broken packages, etc. which would routinely be trashed. When we have visitors coming this way we contact the stores and arrange for pickup. It is amazing what joy an unbroken pencil is or a note book that is not torn brings.

If you want to make a cash contribution to Cali's Instituto Santa Maria it will be used correctly.
Books sports equipment and games are also appreciated. If you have a favorite (difficult not to love them ALL) work with the staff FIRST and throw a birthday party. Check at Christmas time and help out with the food for the Christmas feast. The Instituto Santa Maria has been around for 60 ears and is all girls and all are orphans. It's run by Catholic nuns (Hermanas) and can they stretch a buck-no hanky panky in this place. THEY DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING OFF THE TOP, AS SOME HAVE SUGGESTED. It all goes to run the place. This Christmas we donated a new washing machine aa food for the party. I fancy myself a tough guy but I had to walk out side to hide my emotions from the staff and the kids.

Every time we visit and leave it tears Mrs. Gator up big time. She will cry for the rest of the day.

We also sent the oldest son of one employees on our farm (before we sold it several years ago) to the University of Florida at our expense. Simon graduated with honors two years ago in Computer Engineering. (now you know where the "Gator" comes from). If the funds hold out we may try the daughter of our house keeper next-might not be UF and it damn sure will not be FSU but it will be either be Los Andes or Pontificia Universidad Javeriana

"Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare" .

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ferran says on Jan 11, 2009, 08:56:

I AGREE with ujay they'r all thiefs, do it directly or nothing, its the only way for it to be effective, as I comented before some sort of front has to be set up, and services can be donated to make it all legal and straight, hopely using 75% of PBH members would be the ideal thing.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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kenblanquito says on Jan 11, 2009, 09:09:

I go with some of the others and give directly to avoid the administration from eating a high percentage of the proceeds.

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Shortiao says on Jan 11, 2009, 09:43:

I basically donate to balance off the fact I'm a bit of a cunt in other areas of life.

"cuando una persona toma otro pasaporte....pierde su identidad!" - Shortiao

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Catfish35 says on Jan 11, 2009, 10:36:

The Charity Groups certainly have made many people suspect and for very good reason. Like The United Way of course right in good ole' USA. I think it was about 12 or more years ago when they blew the top off that organization. Finding directors and administrators living lavishly.

However, SHORTI also has a very valid point for you folks giving it straight out. I would question your sensibility in HOW your doing this. Yes, if your are giving money directly to a homeless person or child you too are a numb nutz..This money will be spend directly into procuring drugs or alcohol or better yet...try it sometime and watch what happens. The stronger ones will just take it from them weaker ones anyway. Never, ever, just dole money out like that. If you feel like doing this..buy them food or some ointment for their feet for Jesus H Christ..

However, to classify "EVERYONE" that collects money for charity as crooks is also not reality.
Their are people that do this tirelessly and are never acknowledged and live poor themselves or at most extremely modest. I am for anything that will help the Children and the elderly. I will look further into this and supply my suggestion. My friends Tio is a young Padre in Barrio Triste and works very hard for this. I could only wish I had an eye drop full of his constitution!

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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sloopskipper says on Jan 11, 2009, 12:41:

I have supported this group for about 5 or 6 years:



They are active in Colombia

www.savethechildren.org

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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muffiemae says on Jan 11, 2009, 15:35:

Does this necessarily have to be a charity in Colombia? I sponsor spay/neuter clinics in the highlands of Chiriqui, Panama. Unlike many "charities," neither I nor any of our volunteers receives a penny of salary or any "perks." (Our wonderful volunteers give freely of their time and hard work every month - and their gasoline to bring and take home animals when necessary - and other volunteers also provide food and soft drinks for each clinic.) But there's always a deficit at each clinic, which comes from my own pocket.

The so-called "vets" here in this area area a joke - they are mainly trained for large animals (and not very well at that). As for dogs, they kill more than they help, and charge a lot for doing so. Therefore, I have an excellent vet who comes from Costa Rica, which is about an hour drive for him each way. He is trained in very small incision sterilization and pediatric sterilization - 8 weeks of age and up - and he is the best vet I've ever known, US or otherwise. He is fast and very good.

My program is mainly addressed toward the lower-income Panamanians who could not afford otherwise to have their animals sterilized. I request payment of $20 per dog and $10 per cat (which is my actual cost), but no one is turned away for inability to pay. Many people can pay only a couple of dollars. Therefore, I have a deficit for each clinic that I pay out of my own pocket.

I pay our wonderful vet $10 per dog and $5 per cat, plus give him gasoline money. I supply a rented building ($100 per month) for which to hold the clinics and I supply all of the best and most expensive (and therefore the safest) anesthesia, all the gloves (sterile and non-sterile), gauzes, "campos" (sterile drapes), stainless steel operating table for the doctor, stainless steel "positioners" (V-shaped things in which the animal can lie on its back while asleep without having to be tied on all four legs), needles and syringes (3 sizes), stainless steel sutures for closing, stethoscopes, thermometers, 6 sets of stainless steel operating instruments (cost of over $400), $500 weighing scale, autoclave, sterile body wash, alcohol, distilled water (at $4.25 per gallon here)...well, the list is endless and there's no way to list all the things required for each of these clinics.

I don't know exactly how much money I've spent out of pocket, because before I started keeping account in October of 2006, I just paid whatever was necessary. But from October of 2006 my deficit is now $4,296. I haven't yet done the accounting for the clinic we just finished today, in which we sterilized another 19 dogs and 11 cats, 30 animals in all. (My actual cost is figured on the ongoing monthly expenses, and many of the most expensive start-up items are not included in the reported deficit.)

Please see my web site at http://www.spaypanama-chiriqui.org, and for links to reports about the clinics (including lots of great pictures) go directly to
http://www.spaypanama-chiriqui.org/Clinics.html

The first page of my web site explains why I began this endeavor. But eventually Spay/Panama in Panama City named me as the Western Chapter of Spay/Panama, and through them (a totally non-profit organization), people can make tax-deductible contributions. See
http://spaypanama.org/Donate.html for ways to donate (tax deductible) and please SPECIFY THAT YOUR DONATION IS FOR CHIRIQUI. Patricia Chan will then forward your donation to me, and give you a receipt for a tax deduction when you request it.

There are few organizations in which no salaries or expenses are paid to anyone, and in which the deficits are paid by the organizer. Ours is one of those. As a result of our clinics, we now see few diseased and starving dogs on the streets. (I saw so many of them when I first moved here in late 2004 that I could not accept their pain and suffering. Thus, my heart eventually dictated that I begin these clinics.)

Please look at my clinic pages: http://www.spaypanama-chiriqui.org/Clinics.html and observe the successful job we are doing for the animals. (Within a week or so, I'll create the web page for our clinic that we just finished today.) I am so exhausted after each one - and I am also so grateful that we have been able to help even more animals.

We did not have a clinic in December, and I used part of my "free" time to visit Medellin for two weeks. I loved the country, the people, and I want to explore more of it. I wish I had seen Colombia before I moved to Panama! Well, who knows what will happen in the future...

Love and hugs from me and my 10 adopted wonderful dogs - (all from the street, formerly homeless and starving) - and I'd never move anywhere without taking all of them!

Dottie

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 16:21:

now we go from one wheel chair to feed the fucking world ,
i will be glad when im on my boat ,as long as my basuco lasts .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 17:42:

you know i looked at it ,
bloody thing is 99 bucks a month plus 14 bucks a meg,
the other is just for e mail ,1cent a caricature,so each letter is a cent ,so this post is costing me about 2 bucks ,that's no good ,
so i got these antennas,and some modem ,that hunts all these wifi spots out ,but in port just off shore works great ,but not out in the blue ,but then the idea is to get away from it all ,
kevin costner got nothing on me ,
bring on water world.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 17:55:

hey azunoman,
that funny you should put up that link ,i am sure that is ken behrings baby ,he the owner of the Seattle Seahawks or he bought them ,any way the guy is loaded ,i wrote to him about 6 months ago ,
he not only does chairs ,he into lots of things ,medicine and that ,
so any way ,i ve had it in my mind a long time im going to palatine the Gaza to take things for the kids ,hamas will take care of me ,im in touch ,so any way this fat prick or his office would not help ,why they support the jews .so yes he does a lot of good ,but fuck em ,im sailing there.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 11, 2009, 18:09:

back in the uk the family are moaning ,
my sister says i got about 200 black bags of stuff ,
what we found in the uk ,every town has a shop of some kind red cross ,oxfam the bloody church on the band wagon , and what people do is bag up the stuff they don't want ,and put it out side the shops ,my mates having been passing and just picking up the bags ,so no idea whats in them ,could be any thing ,books coats shoes games ,rubbish ,but a lot will be really good stuff that can be used ,by the time i get home ,i will have loads to load up ,to head for gaza .i may even call into Haifa and ashdod just to let the jews know ,some one is helping out the palatines.
i hope germany has the bollocks ,and send them the gas bill ,but then the usa will just pick up the bill ,with out the 3 billion they give them ,they could not be doing these crimes against humanity .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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sanandressi says on Jan 12, 2009, 07:18:

My wife's family has enough needs that the thought of giving anything to any group in Colombia really has never popped into my mind. There is an orphanage in Honduras that I know does good work and the director's are not making $100,000 to $350,000 a year like some of these organizations that want your money. Be careful with your donation! The orphanage is El Hogar de Amor y Esperanza in Tegucigalpa. The website I think is www.hogardeamoryesperanza.org but you can Google it and it will come up. Not a fancy website which means your donation goes to those in need and not to some hotshot hypocrite making $175,000 a year off of "Maria in a Guatemala garbage dump television commercial."

Poverty is poverty wherever but the Central American countries have greater needs than Colombia overall save for Costa Rica and maybe Panama. All relative I suppose?

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sanandressi says on Jan 12, 2009, 07:20:

www.elhogar.org

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 08:15:

favorite charity in Colombia? ME! i am blessed to be working full time with with the IDPs in Colombia.

if you plan to give to an NGO please make sure you know what their projects and history are. sometimes NGOs advance their own agenda with projects that look good on paper but actually hurt the people they intend to help. i saw this often while working with the tsunami victims in Banda Aceh.

there are great NGOs out there like OXFAM. if you are religious, i would suggest finding and supporting some missionaries that work with a people group that is meaningful to you.

great thread!

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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sanandressi says on Jan 12, 2009, 09:06:

Right now at the top of the main page for PBH there are banners for both Catholic Charities and Covenant House. Why does the head of Catholic Relief Services need a salary of $205,000 a year? The Latin American head of Covenant House (Catholic Nun leader being paid $140,000 a year) had offices in San Jose Costa Rica where they had no home for street kids and his pay was $139,000 a year before he had to resign over a sex scandal. (Costa Rica would be the best place to live in Central America!) and there are few street kids in Costa .Rica????????????????????

You want to donate to these groups go for it but I would ask how much of your donation really gets to anyone in need? I dunno?

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 09:22:

there is no god ,
so just enjoy your life .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 10:34:

sanandressi - i have no idea. those salaries are crazy. i can understand organizations that have skilled personnel needing to be competitive with the job market to get talent but 140k a year in Costa Rica? i think it is sad that folks can stick a cross or Christian fish on a business card and think they are entitled to something special. you make a great point, do your research!

ujay - i don't want to turn a great thread into a religious conversation. feel free to PM me sometime if you want to know how enjoyable my life has been with God.

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 10:42:

why you meet him ,
you live with him
total utter rubbish.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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sanandressi says on Jan 12, 2009, 11:30:

The banners I mention are at the top of this thread when you click on this forum post. I click on them to support Peter.

World Vision, Save the Children, Christian Children's Fund and many others in Latin America are paying the director and others six figure salaries and in some instances up to $300,000 a year. Much of this information is available IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK. They would rather you not take that time.

Most of these so called "not for profits" are for profit for the folks running the organization. Power is money and money is power.

I do think that most of the medical type NGO's are good and probably is the best way to donate money. Doctors without borders for example. I mean, a trained medical doctor can earn very good money in the first world so if the head of this group makes a couple hundred grand I would not care. But why the head of World Vision with a MBA at $300,000? See my point? When they run the television ads with "Maria looking for something to eat in a Guatemala City dump..."

That Catholic nun at Covenant House who gets the $140,000 (plus a second lay director at the same wages!) or maybe even more justifies it by saying "it goes to her order of nuns" but still, that is $140,000 diverted from the cause and yes that (bloke) in Costa Rica was earning $139,000 a year in the name of street kids while they had no shelter for street kids in the whole country. Many of these groups, like this guy, become "social activists" and big time fund raisers. They need money yes but the social activist part? Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are the same in many ways. They like to point their fingers but fail to look in the mirror. Six figure salaries while they pay college students the minumum in the US to knock on doors for them?

Oh well, if you decide to give then I guess you have to hope it is doing some good. I am not here to say these groups don't do some good. Once you do donate they will hound you for more however.

BTW I approached several religous organizations about 6 years ago to see if anyone wanted to help my wife's family in Colombia. I sent emails. If they answered me at all the only thing they did was try to ignore my requests by putting it back on us. All of it. Nobody asked about my wife's family or what the need was or anything. So, I sent a few of them an email entitled..."donation for your group..." or something like that and boy you should have seen how quickly they respond. Seek employment with some of these groups and they may ignore you as well. Oh well. Live and learn.

What people need are jobs and education and not handouts.

It is a business (not for profits) like anything else.

OK ujay, we know you don't believe in God. I do just in case you are wrong!

www.elhogar.org

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 12:01:

Sanandressi - "What people need are jobs and education and not handouts."

I agree completely. Disaster relief is one thing but in my experience, when meeting an immediate need it simply creates dependency. I believe an organization must adopt a strategy that has a long term focus. I believe the key is reproducibility. If we can't give them something they can continue to do on their own, we really aren't giving them anything.

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 15:36:

but i am not wrong ,

you are following a story that stated to be made up 300 years after this so called date .
logic tells you it rubbish

you have not seen ,heard ,touch ,felt ,nothing of this so called god ,
you never found him
your god was told to you by some one ,and only this god because of where you were born ,nothing more .

had you been born in Iran ,you would now be telling me your a muslin and that god is real ,
or Thailand you be saying Buddha .and so on ,

so i tell you ,i am god ,believe in me ,and when you die ,you will find out i was right ,

so there is no god
just enjoy your life.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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goin_south says on Jan 12, 2009, 15:45:

guys, guys.. what's this to do with your favorite charity??

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:18:

ujay - why don't you believe in God? is there any reason for you to intelligently reject His existence? or, do you simply desire not to believe in Him?

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:24:

becuase there is no logic to it at all ,no prof at all ,its all made up ,its a fairy tale to control you and make money off you ,

believe in some thing that does not exist ,carry on ,

next you will tell me father Xmas does visit every house in one night .

but that is more believable than any none existent god .

but may your god go with you .

there is not a god
just enjoy your life.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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goin_south says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:28:

this is why there is that shit going on in Israel/Palestine.
Live and let live.

Now, back to YOUR FAVORITE CHARITY.... respectfully,
You guys are sabotaging The Proprietor's Thread.

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:30:

how do you feel about the origin of man?

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:35:

We are just one of many spices evolving all the time ,masters of our own environment,only ,
In the sea we come last ,
In space ,we cant get far ,
But as for a god ,ja ja ja.

goin south ...try west.....

http://www.jukelightning.com

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:38:

some good free thinking there. sorry for the thread-jack peter.

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:41:

you can move this to e mail if you like ,

list your case for your god ,
list your prof
ask any thing ,show me what you got ,

then i will show you on ever point ,just where the rubbish started ,and why there is not one .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:44:

robi666

is my god ,
i may even look like him one day ,
ja ja .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 16:51:

all liodiiii e mails come with love
hes a nice guy .

its always nice to be nice.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 17:03:

ujay - this is a decent resource. i don't what kind of questions you have but it looks like this attempts to answer a lot. http://www.carm.org/objections.htm

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 17:14:

mike ,
i don't what kind of questions you have

i don't have any ,you do ,

there is no god ,so why ask ,

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 17:21:

robi ,
i just read your tag
what nation is it .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 17:28:

God speaks for himself through his word and through creation. i would never pretend to be able to "talk" anyone into believing in God. it has to be a personal decision that comes from the heart. i can't do that for anyone. i am a study of apologetics and world religions and have gladly given my time and resources to help both muslims in Indonesia and catholics in Colombia of which, i am neither. ujay had some pretty strong opinions so i just wanted to see as much of his belief system as this thread could afford.

i guess, back on topic, that i would encourage people to not discount all religious based humanitarian organizations/charities simply because you do not believe in God.

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 17:33:

God speaks for himself through his word

you having a laugh ,

what words ,all you got is a book done by man ,300 years after the so called fact .
ever law ,ever word ,is by man.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 17:41:

i click but cant look inside .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 17:43:

300 years after "the so called fact". i assume you mean the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. okay...so we believe God because of his word. so how do we know his word is true? we can look at history and specific segments of the bible that were written (most well before 300 AD) to see evidence that the bible is indeed truth.

The prophets of the Bible stated over 3000 times, in various ways, that they were giving or writing God's own word to man: the Scriptures. And several other non-Biblical writings around the world are also claimed as being "sacred," or holy scripture from God, such as the Quran. However, such claims are much easier to make, than it is to show that any of these writings measure up to the unique qualities of the Bible (the 66-book Judeo-Christian Scriptures).

So, how did the Hebrew people know that the message of an alleged prophet was a genuine prophecy from God? We find the answer in the 5th book of the Bible: Deuteronomy 18:22 says, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him."

---So, any so-called "prophet" who spoke on his own, without God's authority, was rejected because he was actually a false prophet. The ability to accurately predict events of human history was God's "test" to distinguish true from false prophets. Not only that, if the people caught up with such a presumptuous "prophet", he was to be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 13:1-11). This weeded out false prophets in Israel, and made presumptuous prophecy a fearful prospect. As a result, only the prophecies of true prophets are contained in the Bible. Some portions of their writings are predictions, which accurately foretell human deeds in history. ---A few examples follow:

TYRE, had a remarkable prophecy concerning it, in Isaiah 23 (in 715BC) and in Ezekiel 26 (in 588BC), ----- this is what they predicted :

1. That Nebuchadnezzar (the Chaldeans) will destroy the mainland city of Tyre (Isa.23:13 ; Ez.26:8).
2. At the end of 70 years, Tyre will recover and to return to business (Isa.23:15-17).
3. That Tyre would give some of her earnings to the Lord (Isa.23:18).
4. That many nations will come against Tyre (Ez.26:3).
5. The rubble of the city will be thrown into the sea (Ez.26:12).
6. That Tyre will be scraped flat like the top of a rock (Ez.26:4).
7. Tyre will finally be destroyed and never be rebuilt (26:14).

This is how those prophecies were fulfilled :

1. Nebuchadnezzar laid seige to mainland Tyre in 585BC, and overthrew it in 573BC, and the people of Tyre retreated to an island half a mile off the shore, and built up a city there.
2. 70 years later, when the Persians overthrew Babylon, island-Tyre recovered to prosper fairly well.
3. Cyrus, king of Persia, forced island-Tyre to contribute materials to rebuild Yaweh's Temple in Jerusalem.
4. The Assyrians and Egyptians attacked Tyre, and Alexander the Great (Greece) brought military forces from Sidon, Aradus, Byblus, Rhodes, Soli, Mallos, Lycia, Macedon and Cyprus.
5. Alexander's forces took the stones & rubble of fallen mainland Tyre, and threw it into the sea, to build a causeway out to the island-city of Tyre.
6. To smooth out the causeway, the lose topsoil and "dust" was scraped off and added to the causeway.
7. Alexander reduced island-Tyre to ruins in 332BC, and although people tried to rebuild it, island-Tyre was completely destroyed by the Saracens in 1291AD. Though an condominium area they call "Tyre" has been built a few miles away, the flat-topped site where the ancient ruins used to be has never been rebuilt, despite a flowing spring of fresh water running through it. That flat site is still only used for the spreading of nets.
- - - (References: "A Ready Defense" by Josh McDowell ; "Wycliffe Bible Commentary"; "Truth Triumphant" by S.M. Coder, Th.M & G.F. Howe, Ph.D.)

DANIEL is another book in which we find another example of genuine prophecy began its fulfillment soon after the fulfillment of the above prophecy. Daniel wrote his book in 538 B.C., and was one of the Jews taken in the 70-year Babylonian captivity. In Daniel 9:25, we read that from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the coming of Messiah (the "Anointed One", in Hebrew: "Mashiach"), 69 heptads of years would elapse [7 62=69]. Each heptad (or "week", in Hebrew: "Shabuim") is a group of seven years, therefore, from the decree until Messiah, 483 years would go by [69x7=483].

-----So, what happened in history?
----- An overarching decree, for the purpose of returning the Jews to Israel to rebuild Jerusalem, was issued in 457 B.C. by the Persian king Artaxerxes. If we add the 483 years to this date, we come out to the year 26 A.D., which is about the very year that Jesus of Nazareth was baptized (anointed with water and with the Holy Spirit) to begin his public ministry. This is a strong fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, but Daniel added a couple other things about Messiah: He said that Messiah would be "cut off" (v.26), which is an idiom for being killed. This happened when Jesus was crucified at the end of his earthly ministry. And Daniel also said that after the 69 heptads (483 yrs) were over, the city [Jerusalem] and the sanctuary would be destroyed ...which happened in 70 A.D. when the Roman legions under Titus destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.

It is important to note from this prophecy in Daniel, that the appearance of Messiah had to occur at the end of the 69 heptads [483 years], but before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Jesus of Nazareth was ministering right at the end of the 69 heptads, and, other than he, there is no other credible choice to fulfill this prophecy concerning Messiah. This text in Daniel 9 is the only text in the entire Old Testament which explicitly speaks of the "Messiah", and it says that he will be "cut off" (die).

A number of rabbis have boldly said that this passage predicts the exact time of Messiah's appearance, for example, Rabbi Nehumias (who lived about 50 years before Jesus), said that the time fixed by Daniel for the appearing of Messiah could not go "beyond the next 50 years" (cf. Delitzsch & Gloag, The Messiahship, Vol.2, p.226). If Israel's Messiah came, then it had to be during the century in which Jesus of Nazareth lived.

In fact, Jesus fulfilled all the "suffering-messiah" prophecies (as we will show below), and he himself specifically claimed to be the Messiah, in the gospel of John, 4:25-26.

JEREMIAH, as an example, preached as a prophet in about 626 B.C., and God declared through him that, because of their sins, God would bring King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon against the Jews to defeat and destroy their land, and to carry them off to captivity in Babylon (and in other nations) for 70 years; But when the 70 years were over, Babylon would be defeated (Jeremiah 25:8-14), and then the Lord would bring the people of Israel out of Babylon (and out of those other nations) and back to their land (Jeremiah 29:10-11; 30:3,11). -----Well, archaeology and ancient history confirm the precise fulfillment of this prophecy, because in the year 606 B.C. in fact, Nebuchadnezzar's armies subdued Judah, taking thousands of Jews captive to Babylon (and other nations). This process continued, including the fall of Jerusalem in 605 B.C., and the captivity of practically all of the Jewish people. In 595 B.C, Jeremiah also foretold the fall of Babylon to the Medes (Jeremiah 51:11,28). The Jewish captivity lasted until Babylon in fact did fall to Medo-Persia, and then Cyrus the Persian King decreed in 536 B.C. that the Jews could return to their land, and many of them then returned (though not all of them). The captivity had lasted 70 years, just as foretold. None of his prophecies have ever proven to be wrong, thus, Jeremiah is a book of genuine prophecy.

ISRAEL, for example, is predicted by a whole group of prophecies (such as Isaiah 11:10-12 ; Jeremiah 23:3-8 ; 30:3-11 ; Ezekiel 37:11-28 ; 38:8 ; Luke 21:23-24 ; and others) to be restored to the land of Israel as a politically functioning nation in the latter days. Back in history, as a result of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. by General Titus of Rome, the Jews were scattered around the world, and they had no homeland or country of their own for more than 1800 years. The literal fulfillment of this group of prophecies was thought by some to be impossible, but in May of 1948 the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel was announced and recognized by the U.N. Though many of us may not approve of many of the political activities of the Israeli government, the prophecy has still come true, and nothing else even nearly comparable to this remarkable fulfillment has ever happened to any other nation of people in all of history.

There are many other predictive prophecies in the Bible, but the most important ones pertain to the Messiah, of which there are more than 300 prophecies in the Old Testament (the Torah).

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 17:51:

ha ha ,whats all that shit ,
i told you ,do it by e mail ,

but in May of 1948 the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel was announced and recognized by the U.N.

only because we were shooting the jews trying to land at dover ,the usa will not take them ,
it was under British occupation ,and we gave it to them ,from that time the people who lands it was and is ,has been fucked ,right left and center ,but still nothing to do with a god.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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mike08 says on Jan 12, 2009, 18:06:

ok, really seriously-seriously, no more defense from me.

give to charity!

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 18:10:

charity it begins at home ,

most are or do just run as a business ,charity don't come into it ,till they pay them self huge amounts of money given ,

do it your self ,or don't give at all .

but then ask your god ,how much he sent down .tight ass he must be .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 18:18:

Some thing ,I have always wondered about ,

You hear some people say its the work of god ,
Oh I prayed to god and he helped ,

Well ,
If there is a master plan
If it is set ,
Then how can one pray and this plan change ,and if the plan changed then there is no set plan is there .

Hes sitting up there playing about ,changing his mind ,
And the only thing on earth that keeps changing their mind is a women ,

So your god must be a woman.

Ja ja ja god help us all.

There is no god
Just enjoy your life.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ferran says on Jan 12, 2009, 18:29:

Lets keep the whole God thing out of this thread, it takes allot more than just pass me down and super edited information for anyone here to understand the god matrix, so lets stick to the pros and cons of giving to sharities, its all a double edge when giving, but the best, is to give when you know how to give, otherwise most likely you are doing more damage then good, my thought is to be wise in giving, and I still support a PBH foundation if its well manage.

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 18:36:

best keep this god out of this world ,worming his way in ,upsetting every one .

just do it your self ,start with people around you ,that need help ,
but don't keep these phonies in jobs ,you waste your money.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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goin_south says on Jan 12, 2009, 22:12:

do we all get a few college credits in
Theology/Philosophy,
for reading all this crap?

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 22:17:

no,just a feeling after you read it ....what the hell was that all about.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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goin_south says on Jan 12, 2009, 22:21:

Slipscooper and Lcacique have a relative slogan:
..
........"IF THERE HAD NEVER BEEN A GWB, THEN I COULD STILL BELIEVE IN GOD"

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goin_south says on Jan 12, 2009, 22:22:

All that chit made me forget this was a Colombian forum ;-)
I checked in and then right out again.

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ujay says on Jan 12, 2009, 22:22:

yes ,and if my aunt had bollocks ,she would be my uncle.

http://www.jukelightning.com

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goin_south says on Jan 12, 2009, 22:29:

Thanks for pickin my buddy up at the aerrro puerrrto;
A good friend would have sent
Seven Horny Colombian Virgins to pick him up at El Dorado;
I think 's got a lil islam in 'm ;-)

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critter says on Jan 13, 2009, 03:53:

website- www.fundacionvcdev.org, Fundacion Vivir Con Dignidad Es Vivir
- address & contact info-on the website
- what do they do-provide emergency relief, life-skills training, educational/micro-business opportunities
- why do you like them?-Because WE treat the people like investments and not charity cases
- how can people help them? donate money, clothes, cooking utensils, or volunteer

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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critter says on Jan 13, 2009, 04:16:

Good advice: Never waste your time trying to reason with drunks or fools; they will alway think they are right no matter what the facts are.

ignoring the facts=ignorant

The Holy Bible (the word of God) under tremendous scrutiny for thousands of years, has never, ever been proven wrong or inaccurate. Go figure!

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. But fools despise wisdom and instruction" Proverbs 1:7 (tough to be afraid of someone who doesn't exist, right?)

"Spending eternity in a bad place is a long time!"

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ferran says on Jan 13, 2009, 05:52:

Critter what kind of crap is that, the bible is full of holes, proven as a fact of its inaccuracy and all kind of errors, do your homework, and fear is ignorance and ignorance does not equal to knowledge, go do your trawlling some place else, you fool!!

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 06:38:

The Holy Bible (the word of God) under tremendous scrutiny for thousands of years, has never, ever been proven wrong or inaccurate. Go figure!

its never been proven at all ,not one thing ,Nada ,its as much use as harry potter

http://www.jukelightning.com

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mike08 says on Jan 13, 2009, 06:47:

i am praying specifically today that God will soften your hearts. i know you don't believe in him, but he believes in you.

Taste and see the Lord is good. Psalm 34:8

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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mike08 says on Jan 13, 2009, 07:48:

ha. it sounds like the last thing you need is more softening. hope you feel better man.

Don’t take yourself too seriously. If you can develop the ability to laugh at yourself, you will be much more relaxed when given or giving criticism… Blessed is he who can enjoy his blunders.– John C. Maxwell

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ferran says on Jan 13, 2009, 07:48:

robi I hope you got over it and lets hope this thread recovers from this god/bible diarrhea and gets back to its tittle. charity

All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self evident.

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ujay says on Jan 13, 2009, 07:54:

my mate from Jamaica,
came running over to me one day ,thought he was melting ,
but it was only diarrhea.

hey robi ,your safe from loidiiiii now then ,ja ja .

http://www.jukelightning.com

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) says on Jan 13, 2009, 08:02:

Please take the religious debate into an off topic thread. You can talk about it all you want, but he point of this thread is to discuss charities.

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. - Zaphod Beeblebrox, Former President of the Galaxy and inventor of the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster

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