crazy shooting on bus in medellin

ryuken says on Oct 30, 2009, 03:16:

somebody please translate

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barrumundi says on Oct 30, 2009, 03:24:

In bus attack killed law student
Rodrigo Martinez Arango - Medellín | Posted on October 30, 2009
Unknown attacked Thursday night bus for Bethlehem serving cold water and killed the driver and one passenger, a law student, who was heading to meet a dental appointment.

From a motorcycle gunmen shot at public service vehicle that was traveling along 20th Street with race 88, west of Medellin and killed her driver John Fredy Velez.

The bullets hit one of the passengers riding in the back of public service vehicle, wounding him seriously.

He was identified as Jorge Enrique Mejia Toro, 26, who relatives said he was about to graduate as a lawyer at the University of Antioquia.

On the other hand, thieves who tried to rob an apartment in a residential unit of the Loma de Los Bernal, also in Bethlehem, killed the security guard Juan Carlos Mendez, 34, who tried to prevent the action of criminals.

The apartamenteros killed the guard in a twelfth floor, where they attempted to enter an apartment, but fled after shooting the man in charge of the round.

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barrumundi says on Oct 30, 2009, 03:25:

Google translate version!

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barrumundi says on Oct 30, 2009, 03:27:

Thursday night bus for Bethlehem serving cold water ???????

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ryuken says on Oct 30, 2009, 03:28:

thanks but already tried google translation its pretty bad

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ryuken says on Oct 30, 2009, 03:30:

LOL

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worzel says on Oct 30, 2009, 03:53:

Wow Medellin - Bethlehem eh? Some journey ...........

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spigrimace says on Oct 30, 2009, 04:08:

Belén IS Bethlehem in Spanish!!!!!!

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phillyguy says on Oct 30, 2009, 04:51:

If I'm not mistaken, Aguas Frias is the name of a town, hence the capitalizaion in the article. Aguas frias literally means "cold waters".

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suizo says on Oct 30, 2009, 05:48:

la vida no vale mucho

Crackheads suck!

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oneforyourmillion says on Oct 30, 2009, 07:47:

Did the bus line not make a payoff?

For the guard you can never win in that situation. You are always going to take the moment to make sure that they are not friendly, the criminals are not and will always have the upper hand. Alone...he was piece meal. Sad.

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Oct 30, 2009, 08:11:

oneforyourmillion says on Oct 30, 2009, 08:26:

over the fense and gone, no big trick

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nine inch nails says on Oct 30, 2009, 11:15:

that's why it just makes good sense to pack heat when you can esp. have one of the judge .410 bebes readily available. they aint gonna fok with you when you squeeze out a few .410 shotgun shells from that self defense Judge pistol The great thing about the judge also is that the shot disperses rapidly making it not so much a danger to others. Yeah might hurt the neighbors a little but if the thief gets in close say under 25' and he don't expect it well you just might have saved your life.

And it is sad about the guards but they should build up more layers of defense (think concrete barriers or otherwise, panels anything that protects them) and when the criminal gets beyond a certain point the guard can fire from a protected position. God-damn I should start up a Defensive Facilities Consultation business down there. All about layered defense baby. If they can shield stationary buildings from huge megaton truck bombs in Iraq and Afghan then they can do it down in CO!

Granted not everyone can afford it but 2-3 per large apartment building doable. These criminals kinda like the Al Quedas in that they go after the softer targets. I know some of the facilities down Medelling and CO already have some of this protective layer stuff.

Now who gonna win Game 3?

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nine inch nails says on Oct 30, 2009, 11:20:

Isn't Aguas Frias one of the metro stations near Oviedo?

jajaja Worzel; Medellin - Bethlehem some journey. jajaja

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yummyj says on Oct 30, 2009, 12:09:

I love people who complain about a translation program, yet don't bother to do it themselves.

Beggars can't be choosers. BUT THEY ARE!!!

Just because you have been to Colombia, that does NOT mean that you are anywhere near an expert on the place. Sorry. Truth hurts.

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oneforyourmillion says on Oct 30, 2009, 12:39:

nine yes but the problem is the money and that people don't want to live in a fort. Unfortunantly the guard is cheap, expendable and can help you with your groceries.

But your right about layered defenses. Goes for everything I do, business or whatever. I put layers of people or clients between me and dissaster. Same stuff.

For the house I won't go outside but I drilled a hole into the concrete floor just in front of the door and put a steel rod into that sucker at night. Everyone wanted one over here so I built a bunch of hose puppies. Bar comes up and then shaped into a triangle, works great as the locks get kicked in easy enough. With this you have to take the door apart to get in. Not the first kick. Time to wake up from the first noise, the second kick you know what it is, roll over pull the slide back and wait in the dark. It won't be a friendly comming through the door so free to shoot happy.

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nine inch nails says on Oct 30, 2009, 13:34:

that sucks about life being so cheap but is the truth OFYM.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Oct 30, 2009, 14:39:

There might be an **accidental discharge*** in his bed, maybe?

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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RAAAY says on Oct 30, 2009, 15:07:

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.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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dwmte7 says on Oct 30, 2009, 15:11:

Incoming Fire Has the Right of Way

Clint Smith, Director of Thunder Ranch, is part time Drill Instructor and part stand up comic. Here are a few of his observations on Tactics, firearms, self defense and life as we know it in the Civilized world.

"The handgun would not be my choice of weapon if I knew I was going to a fight....I'd choose a rifle, a shotgun, an RPG or an atomic Bomb instead."

"The two most important rules in a gunfight are: Always cheat and Always win."

"Every time I teach a class, I discover I don't know something."

"Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."

"Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. I may get killed with my own gun, but he's gonna have to beat me to death with it, cause it's going to be empty."

"If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin, you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick."

"When you reload in low light encounters, don't put your flashlight in your back pocket... If you light yourself up, you'll look like an angel or the tooth fairy...and you're gonna be one of 'em pretty soon."

"Do something. It may be wrong, but do something."

"Nothing adds a little class to a sniper course like a babe in a Ghilliesuit."



"Shoot what's available, as long as it's available, until something else becomes available."

"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous... If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for."

"Don't shoot fast, shoot good."

"You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or use any other word you think will work but I've found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much the universal language."

"You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. How long you live depends on how well you do it."

"You cannot save the planet. You may be able to save yourself and your family."

"Thunder Ranch will be here as long as you'll have us or until someone makes us go away and either way it will be exciting."

More Excellent Gun Wisdom.......The purpose of fighting is to Win!

There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.

The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, He'll just kill you.

2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.



4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a 46.'

6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.

7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'

8. Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it!

'The true Soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because He loves what is behind him.' -G. K. Chesterton

A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.

'Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.' ~ Thomas Jefferson

"A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy." --Samuel Adams

If you believe in the 2nd Amendment, please forward. I just did.

patriarch

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Miguel_Clavo says on Oct 30, 2009, 15:25:

Dont forget about my favorite.....personal flame thrower.......

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 30, 2009, 15:39:

I carried with one in the pipe when it was a Beretta 92, but stopped when I switched to a Glock 23. Something about having a round chambered with no safety makes me nervous.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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ryuken says on Oct 30, 2009, 15:45:

thats what i have now a glock 23 but i never carry it just leave it in the car here in miami i wonder how much would a glock cost you in medellin or would it even be worth it since 99% of the time you never see it coming

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 30, 2009, 15:51:

Are Glocks even available in Colombia?

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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ryuken says on Oct 30, 2009, 15:55:

i think you buy them stolen

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oneforyourmillion says on Oct 30, 2009, 16:08:

If I take it out I put one up the pipe but in the house I don't want someone to find it and shoot themselves monking around. I got plenty of time before someone could get in here to chamber a round.. Maybe they will even hear that and run away and I won't have to clean up the mess.

Colombians don't understand shit about guns. I left it out one day and a friend came over and picked it up like WOW! Cool! I was more scared of him in that 10 seconds than an entire division of angry gringo liver eating FARC. ;)

Other example a Colombians with a 38 they were empting each casing at a tiem with their finger tips and not doing too well. My freind asked for it and pushed back on the ejector. They were amazed....tough guys! jaja

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ryuken says on Oct 30, 2009, 16:14:

oneforyourmillion do they have glocks in medellin

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oneforyourmillion says on Oct 30, 2009, 16:15:

I suppose they do? Have not seen over there. In Bogota you got to get them when you can. But why you wnat that piece of shit? ;)

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 30, 2009, 16:32:

John, I know some guys don't like them, but Glocks are not shit. They are virtually indestructable. I have disassembled mine, and thrown the frame as hard as I could against a tiled floor to demontrate their durability to people. It doesn't even scratch. The accuracy is almost wierd it is so good for the type of weapon that it is. Sure, they don't have the craftmanship that other premium quality weapons have, but they are what they are. Put it this way, if my life was in danger, I would be comforted if the gun I had to defend myself with was a Glock.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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oneforyourmillion says on Oct 30, 2009, 16:34:

Ok well not shit but there is the best and then the rest is shit. When it is your life on the line only what is best maters.

I just do not find I come on target as well with the Glock. Maybe it is my big hand but I prefer the sig

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Robert Jorge says on Oct 30, 2009, 16:38:

Well Sig is primo also. I just can't afford a Sig. And don't throw the frame against a brick wall or tiled floor. Jajaja

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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oneforyourmillion says on Oct 30, 2009, 16:39:

Well hell no I don't throw it against the wall! If I want to do that I get a hammer. :)

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ryuken says on Oct 30, 2009, 20:50:

i like the glock mainly cause it has the safety on trigger and is light i keep one in the chamber no problem i remember the owner of a jewlery store got shot 3 times he knew he was gonna get robbed so he pulled out the sametime as the bad guy but forget about the safety

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barrumundi says on Oct 30, 2009, 23:17:

Interesting fact: During the entire course of Americas involvment in the war in Vietnam, more people were killed in USA by accidents with hand guns than what there was killed in Vietnam. This doesn't include murders or accidents with rifles.

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oneforyourmillion says on Oct 31, 2009, 06:16:

the sig is double action on the first round so out and about hammer down and ready to go on a trigger pull. This is what I like about the Sig but to each is own. It is also what I don't like about the sig and why I do not keep a round chambered while in the house. Pulling the trigger on a chambered round makes bullet go out end of barrel. Just don't want the cleaning lady to shoot her foot off being curious. So it is keep it close but a round not up the pipe. Verses keeping it well hidden and not easily accessed with a round chambered. Takes me all of a half second to chamber the round. If it s on my belt trust me a round is ready for delivery on a trigger pull.

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davidslc46 says on Oct 31, 2009, 07:28:

You carry an illegal firearm in Medellin these days and you will most likely lose it and be arrested. In my neighborhood the police response to the increased shootings has been checkpoints throughout the neighborhood. We are talking every major thoroughway up until the discos close. This has brought security although if someone wants you bad enough I suspect they can still get you. I do not know if you can legally even carry one in Medellin. I am sure one of you or the other members knows what the staus of concealed weapons in Medellin is.

David

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webmanco says on Oct 31, 2009, 07:34:

Well they wanted so bad a guy to kidnapp that went all the way to an apartment building in Loma de los Bernal, to a high floor and killed the "watchman".

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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oneforyourmillion says on Oct 31, 2009, 10:07:

I think in Medellin you can not carry at this time. Doesn't go for the rest of Colombia. But carring illegal is no joke it is a mandatory sentence.

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ryuken says on Oct 31, 2009, 16:57:

update to the story

Sicarios mataron los sueños de un futuro abogado
Rodrigo Martínez Arango - Medellín | Publicado el 31 de octubre de 2009
El futuro abogado, Jorge Enrique Mejía Toro, nunca cumplió, la tarde el jueves, la cita odontológica a la que, por pereza, le estaba sacando el cuerpo.

Dos balazos impidieron que llegara al consultorio, pero los sicarios también le mataron su sueño de ser un penalista, como pensaba serlo, después de obtener su título, en diciembre próximo, como profesional de Derecho en la Universidad de Antioquia.

Uno de sus tíos dijo que Jorge, de 25 años de edad, no quería ir a la cita y a última hora tomó la decisión de cumplirla. Salió de su casa en el corregimiento Belén Altavista y cogió un bus del que fue su primer pasajero.

A tres cuadras, en la carrera 84F con la calle 19A, sicarios abordaron el vehículo y le dispararon al busero, John Fredy Vélez Bermúdez, de 29 años, quien murió en el acto.

Para evitar ser reconocidos por un testigo, también atacaron al pasajero, Jorge Enrique, y le propinaron dos tiros en la cabeza, que le segaron la vida en el quirófano de la Clínica Las Américas.

Mejía Toro era oriundo de Supía, Caldas, y llevaba varios años en Medellín. "Quería especializarse en Derecho Penal, pero lo que más destacamos era la forma cómo le encantaba ayudar a los pobres y así lo manifestó trabajando para el consultorio de la Universidad. Mataron a un buen muchacho, único hijo que quería sacar adelante a sus padres", concluyó el tío.

Por su parte, otra familia del barrio Aliadas se lamentaba por la pérdida de su carro, un Renault 12, que lo tenían desde hace 12 años, pero le agradecieron a Dios que a su conductor, Carlos, que salía con su esposa para ir a mercar, lo llamó un amigo a hacerle una pregunta y en ese momento el bus que fue atacado lo arrolló y lo dejó en chatarra. "Le habíamos acabado de meter 250 mil pesos, pero, por fortuna, no nos pasó nada", dijo la esposa del dueño del R-12.

En otro hecho, ayer fue asesinado por un pasajero el busero Alberto Valencia, de 43 años, en carrera 81B con calle 50, en Calasanz. Tres de los ocupantes del bus sufrieron contusiones al lanzarse del carro por pánico.

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ryuken says on Oct 31, 2009, 16:58:

seemed like having a gun would have saved his life but what can you do when its your time to go you gotta go

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dwmte7 says on Oct 31, 2009, 17:31:

funny you should mention that at this hour, ryuken..............while we speak, at this hour, my dear sister is standing in the 'departure lounge', on her way out. GOD bless her precious soul. one cannot change the hour of their leaving.

patriarch

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ryuken says on Oct 31, 2009, 18:05:

im sorry to hear that dwmte7 may she RIP

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dwmte7 says on Oct 31, 2009, 18:34:

thank you

patriarch

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Lisa Zee says on Oct 31, 2009, 22:47:

Lo siento mucho mi querido amigo Duglas.

Vive la vida y deja vivir!.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 1, 2009, 05:29:

thank you for your thoughts lisa/

patriarch

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