Colombia's president can set a democratic example by saying no.

aztec says on Nov 20, 2009, 07:41:

bump

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romy says on Nov 20, 2009, 11:21:

I agree. However, Uribe shows no signs of having respect for democracy so I'm not very optimistic.

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tasco66 says on Nov 20, 2009, 12:32:

"Uribe shows no signs of having respect for democracy"

yeah right my little revolutionary...just keep the laughs coming...jajajaja

Newsweek on Uribe: "he's delivered the trifecta of peace, security, and prosperity"

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romy says on Nov 20, 2009, 14:45:

tasco please stop trolling what may become intelligent discussions and keep your pity arguments on your own threads
http://poorbuthappy.com/yourthing/post/looks-like-raaayyy-owes-darloup...

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makopp5 says on Nov 20, 2009, 14:59:

When the people they want him, so why not? With this problems with Chavez, I think the people are afraid and they will look for an strong leader, which Uribe have proofed.

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romy says on Nov 20, 2009, 15:04:

yes this 'problem' with Chavez is very fortunate for Uribe

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makopp5 says on Nov 20, 2009, 15:07:

romy
and look what`s happening with Ecuador, now they have diplomatic ties (which Chavez don`tlike) and who was helping Ecuador with it`s big electricity problem? Colombia where was Chavez? He is sending just old arm.

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el norteño says on Nov 20, 2009, 17:00:

Constitutions exist to limit popular democracy. 51% of the people wanting something is not a good enough reason.

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romy says on Nov 20, 2009, 17:02:

wtf are you talking about? we are discussing democracy in Colombia

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medefockinllin says on Nov 20, 2009, 17:59:

I think that makopp5 has been damaged by the toxins from his printing business.

Colombia's constitution allowed for only one term to avoid dictatorship and corruption. Uribe changed it so that he could have a second term. Now he wants three terms. There cannot be one rule for him and one rule for other presidents thereafter.

Question for current Uribe-lovers? Would you be happy with the prospect of someone else coming in for three terms after Uribe is fired by the Santos family?

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makopp5 says on Nov 20, 2009, 19:25:

Who cares the constitution, the mayority can change it, and in elections the people can decide what they want.
btw the inks are packed in vaccum tins.

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medefockinllin says on Nov 20, 2009, 19:54:

Makkop5 - your last comment is extremely ignorant. For someone who has lived in Colombia for so long, I find this lack of knowledge shocking.

The original constitution was set in 1886 and updated in 1991. Any changes to the constitution must go through strict procedures and ratified by the Constitutional Court. The last constitutional reform was in 2005 allowing for the re-election of El Narcotraficante No. 82. This change was impelled by Uribe and not by the people of Colombia.

Glad to hear that the inks are vacuum packed. Maybe you just ate too much British beef in the 1980s.

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 20, 2009, 22:06:

que gente pa hablar mierda ome....... tranquilo alvaro que los colombianos te apoyamos!

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makopp5 says on Nov 21, 2009, 02:44:

mede
so if uribe in guilty, why the Constitutional Court (and they don`t like him at all, they would be very happy) is not investigating? They would like, but there is nothing. Democracy is where the mayority rules. If you think its ignorant or doesn`t matter. When the mayority wants to reelect uribe , so go on.

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medefockinllin says on Nov 21, 2009, 06:01:

Makkop5 - if Uribe was being tried for a crime it would be through a criminal court. Your lack of intelligence is astounding.

Do you know what the word "constitution" means? You obviously have no understanding of basic law or republican constitution. Even more embarrassing for you is that you come from a federal republic.

You have no idea about what the word democracy means (power to the people). Democracy is where individuals are equal in the eyes of the law and have equal access to power. It is not about majority rule. Have you ever heard about phrase "tyranny of the majority"? This is what El Norteno is referring to.

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makopp5 says on Nov 21, 2009, 09:07:

mede
you said it power to the people, and if they want the same president and they ware signing to change the constitution, it`s POWER TO THE PEOPLE. And when they will elect Uribe again with a mayority, so it`s POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

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romy says on Nov 21, 2009, 09:38:

makopp, the executive cannot be investigated by the judiciary, fuck don't you know anything. Also paramilitaries forcing people to vote for Uribe is not democratic. Where did you learn about democracy?

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makopp5 says on Nov 21, 2009, 09:44:

romy
yes he can be investigated by the high court.

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makopp5 says on Nov 21, 2009, 09:45:

romy
show me the report from international election observers, that there was big fraude in the elections.

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romy says on Nov 21, 2009, 09:53:

it has to be from congress...
which report?

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makopp5 says on Nov 21, 2009, 09:58:

romy
Inician investigación preliminar a Presidente de Colombia por cohecho en reforma de reelección

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romy says on Nov 21, 2009, 10:04:

cohecho jajaja no fokin kidding. is this a joke? who paid off Yidis Medina? and all the congresspeople in the latest re-election legislation?

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medefockinllin says on Nov 21, 2009, 11:51:

Romy - makopp5 has an IQ of about 80. He answers questions with other questions and then cannot understand the answers. He copies and pastes in Spanish and is substantially illiterate.

Makopp5 - you still don't understand what "tyranny of the majority" means do you? Do you know that the majority of Cubans vote for the Communist party? The majority of Palestinians vote for Hamas. The majority of Israelis vote for right wing zionists. The majority of Germans voted for the Nazi's in 1933....oh sorry, you probably don't know your own history.

"tyranny of the majority" - perfect example is Ireland with the EU constitution. Makkop5 - you have demonstrated yourself as having no knowledge on politics, history, or international affairs. Stick to printing....or copying and pasting.

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RAAAY says on Nov 21, 2009, 14:22:

" makopp5 has an IQ of about 80."

Any evidence that it is so high...?

It's useless to argue with ignorance...

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medefockinllin says on Nov 21, 2009, 14:31:

RAAY, I was trying to be kind. An IQ of 80 would place him in the bottom 30% of adults, which is probably a little generous. I would say an IQ of 60-70 would be appropriate.

Awaiting for a response from him on this which will inevitably include some comment about the growth of his printing business!

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el norteño says on Nov 21, 2009, 15:15:

Makopp,

Uribe has the power of incumbency. As the office-holder, he has advantages over challengers in an election.
I agreed with the amendment allowing for a second term, but 8 years is sufficient for any individual. After that it deteriorates to the situation you see in Venezuela and other countries. It will weaken Colombian democratic institutions.

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makopp5 says on Nov 21, 2009, 16:59:

romy and mede
thanks for the flowers. Your arguments are getting better and better, but anyway we will see if the power of the people will decide the future of Colombia and not you 2 guys.

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romy says on Nov 21, 2009, 18:10:

unfortunately makopp, that's not true, you should know better by now

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medefockinllin says on Nov 21, 2009, 22:05:

His English is poor and he doesn't understand the answers given.

I think that he just plugs questions and answers from PBH into a free online translation site....because his posts are garbled.

He still hasn't answered to explain his copying and pasting from the internet!!

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El Expatriado says on Nov 22, 2009, 03:06:

With all due respect Romy and Mede, why I do agree that a third term in office for anyone would be pushing it, and I think Uribe should call it quits,I have talked to well over 200 people travelling throughout Colombia, all estrados, all professions, all levels of education, and I can honestly say, that your opinions are in a very small minority.

My in-laws ad friends are concerned, because thay don't know who can step in to take Uribe's place.

I also think it is a bit petty to belittle Makopp about his level of English, even if you disagree with his political viewpoints.(I actually beleive he is a bit too simplistic and opinionated at times myself).

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Juepaje says on Nov 22, 2009, 03:14:

makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer),
Get out a dictionary or Wiki democracy and republic. There is a vast difference and democracy is mob rule while a republic is the rule of law. For exaple if 90% of the people on this site wanted you off, under a democracy, you would be gone. If we were in the Republic of Peter, you would have to violate laws and become a pain in the ass to all of the mods and then they could remove you from the island. Colombia is a Republic.

“If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can’t it get us out?”-Will Rogers

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makopp5 says on Nov 22, 2009, 03:31:

juepaje
thanks for your explanation.

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medefockinllin says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:09:

El Expatriado - thanks for your response. I do not mean to belittle makkop5 regarding his English....I genuinely think it's a problem for him in understanding posts and responding coherently. In any case, it makes for interesting debate...

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romy says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:20:

Expatriado- tell them that Santos would carry the Uribe plan of more guns aimed at Colombians (innocent or not) and higher social inequality. Less education and less health. ie. Democratic Security
oh and don't forget higher taxes.

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makopp5 says on Nov 22, 2009, 08:26:

romy
how many people had helth care before Uribe and how many do have health care now?

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El Expatriado says on Nov 22, 2009, 19:20:

I think I'll forget about the 200 people I have talked to in Colombia and everything else I hace learned in my life., and listen to Romy. He's got to be right.

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romy says on Nov 22, 2009, 21:31:

what did I say that is not correct? perhaps you should relate with people that follow the news.

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