Colombian soccer players found dead in Venezuela

mariacvetanoski says on Oct 25, 2009, 14:44:

Venezuelan Vice President Ramon Carrizalez told reporters the men were found with bullet wounds in various parts of the western state of Tachira, on the border between the two South American neighbors.

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mariacvetanoski says on Oct 25, 2009, 17:35:

video

http://www.colombianews.tv/

During the next hours the 12 bodies of the soccer players killed in Venezuela will arrive to Colombia. President Alvaro Uribe asked Venezuela's Government for cooperation in order to arrest the people responsible.

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jb_fastpitch says on Oct 25, 2009, 18:59:

I would not count on any help from the Chavezistas. If anything they are encouraging el Payaso. They probably give the SOB arms and a paycheck.

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jb_fastpitch says on Oct 25, 2009, 19:01:

The answer is to infiltrate Venezuela and take out some of his assets. Arm his internal opposition and make his life HELL.

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Haghj00 says on Oct 26, 2009, 03:06:

jb, as a american i think you should just sssh. If you want to comment about other countries goverments, you should first overlook your own.

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jb_fastpitch says on Oct 26, 2009, 03:26:

Mine is now under the control of a Chavez wannabe on steroids. We need a change in 2012 or we will be just another 3rd world country.

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jb_fastpitch says on Oct 26, 2009, 03:27:

Greg, try www.pjtv.com

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El Expatriado says on Oct 26, 2009, 04:39:

jb, to be honest, if guys like you , dick Cheney and the ilk didn't exist, there would be no Chavez, no Cuba, possibly no Al Qaeda and no anti-Americanism.

You create your own problems. You give the the Chavistas their "Razon de etre".

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jb_fastpitch says on Oct 26, 2009, 05:23:

Hey ex Pat, ....Huh????????????????????? I usually discount everything I am told by someone who starts out telling me he is being "honest". In your case, it is not important......you aren't even cogent. I suppose you think the US is responsible for the attacks on the WTC and the pentagon on 9/11 and the atttack on the USS Kohl, or maybe the bombing of the US embassies in Africa.
How about the extermination of 100 million plus folks by Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and the other socialists since the dawn of the 20th century? Oh by the way, Hitler was a SOCIALIST... it was National Socialism and not National Capitalism that he founded. He was influenced by Marx and not Edmund Burke or Adam Smith.

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El Expatriado says on Oct 26, 2009, 06:06:

I agree with you 100% , and what I said previously, as well.

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El Expatriado says on Oct 26, 2009, 06:09:

Never said I was a socialist, probably more of a capitolist than you are, but I can see both sides of the story.

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El Expatriado says on Oct 26, 2009, 06:10:

Obama is just finishing off what Bush, Cheney's puppet started.

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jb_fastpitch says on Oct 26, 2009, 09:35:

Greg, What is wrong with making our own decisions? Are we so helpless and stupid that the government must control everything we do? If the government was not preventing domestic drilling and refining the US would have plenty of energy. The problem is the ENVIRO-NAZIS. Global warming is a HOAX.
The CAFE standards were not cancelled (but they should be cancelled) and along with the UNIONS they have bankrupted the US auto industry. You guys need to take a break from the State-Run media and find the truth.
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Ex Pat, you can't even spell CAPITALISM much less explain it.

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Haghj00 says on Oct 26, 2009, 10:23:

JB, the anti-socialism card wont work. I live in sweden, which is a socialist country. All 4 countries in scandinavia, norway, finland, sweden and denmark are socialist countries. All 4 countries top the ranking of almost every index. Far better then capitalist united states. The only index america will beat us in, is probably the debt index per capita.

Im not saying that socialism is perfect, its not. But its better then capitalism. There has to be a balance between communism and capitalism and its called socialism. :)

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Mononoke28 says on Oct 26, 2009, 11:30:

Haghj00 (newbie) says on Oct 26, 2009, 10:23 (today): flag

Im not saying that socialism is perfect, its not. But its better then capitalism. There has to be a balance between communism and capitalism and its called socialism. :)
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I agree with this statement. I have heard really good things about Sweden and Denmark based on their socialist ideas. BUT... Hugo Chávez is far from being a socialist leader, he's a dictator with communist thoughts and points of view which he so desperately tries to hide under his "socialist" shroud. We can all see right through it though and that's one of the reasons which makes him so laughable.

Diana

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jb_fastpitch says on Oct 26, 2009, 12:45:

The US is now run by Communists. It has recently been run by socialists. That is why it is so screwed up now. Imagine if we drilled for our own OIL & GAS in the US and Built refineries and Nuclear plants. Chavez would have no money and neither woud the Saudis and the Persians.
Wind and solar are liberal WET dreams that are not practical now or in the near future.
The Scandinavian Countries will soon join the rest of Europe as Islamic Republics.

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mariacvetanoski says on Oct 26, 2009, 14:07:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hEIbx9D3uqnqol--oD2U...

Venezuela ups border security after 10 slayings
By IAN JAMES (AP) – 20 hours ago

CARACAS, Venezuela — Ten men who belonged to the same soccer team were slain execution-style nearly two weeks after being abducted in a crime that Venezuela said Sunday could be the work of warring factions in neighboring Colombia.

Venezuelan troops stepped up security patrols in the area near the Colombian border after the bodies of 10 men, most of them Colombians, were found in multiple spots in western Tachira state Saturday, Vice President Ramon Carrizalez said.

The victims were among a group of 12 men who authorities say were kidnapped Oct. 11 from a field where they were playing soccer

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mariacvetanoski says on Oct 26, 2009, 14:08:

Prosecutors said the kidnappers, described as armed men dressed in black, were thought to have called out the names of the team's members one by one before taking them away in vehicles.

The killings occurred near a porous border where Colombian rebels, paramilitary fighters and drug smugglers are often able to move about with ease. Venezuelan officials also have struggled in recent years with frequent kidnappings and murders blamed on common criminals in various parts of the country. The motive behind the latest slayings remains unclear.

The single known survivor, 19-year-old Manuel Cortez of Colombia, was shot in the neck, said Orlando Lopez, one of his brothers.

Lopez told The Associated Press that his brother didn't know his abductors. "They had them tied up for 14 days in the sun," Lopez said. "They tied them up to some trees, with chains on their necks and with their hands locked up."

Lopez said his brother recalled the men saying the hostages "didn't have anything to do with it but that they were going to kill them because they had seen their faces."

As for Cortez, "they put him on his knees and they shot him," Lopez said by phone from the military hospital in Caracas where his brother was moved after being afraid for his safety at a hospital in San Cristobal in the border region. A stranger arrived at the first hospital asking to see Cortez and was detained by authorities, Lopez said.

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SiV says on Oct 26, 2009, 15:58:

Americans and Communism . . . always good for a laugh.

Columbia Law Survey Finds Confusion Over Founding Fathers vs. Karl Marx

New York, May 29, 2002. Almost two-thirds of Americans think Karl Marx's maxim, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" was or could have been written by the framers and included in the Constitution, according to a nationwide survey commissioned by Columbia Law School.

http://www2.law.columbia.edu/news/surveys/survey_constitution/index.sh...

Go figure, as you guys say! And if you don't find that funny, there's always Rocky IV.

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SiV says on Oct 26, 2009, 16:02:

Actually, the digression is detracting from a really horrible story. What happened to those guys has very little to do with political agendas. . .

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El Expatriado says on Oct 27, 2009, 02:27:

Yeah nut he knows how to spell capitalism. Like people who stoop to pointinhg out typos when backed in a corner.

What am i getting in this juvenile discussion anyway? My dad can beat up your dad. Nyah Nyah.

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El Expatriado says on Oct 27, 2009, 02:31:

Socialism Applied works in a capitalist society. Those Skandi countries are still capitolist. Where does IKea, ABB Brown Boveria, Seimens, Saab, Maersk come from.

Some sociieties and indiividuals prefer capitalism, others don't. Personally, I prefer free market, wide open no controls. Only my choice, don't try to force it on others.Nothing wrong with the US system. There is with the closed minded mentality of the likes of JB.

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El Expatriado says on Oct 27, 2009, 02:32:

Se I mispelled it again. Waiting for peanut gallery

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El Expatriado says on Oct 27, 2009, 04:11:

Actually, it probably does got to do with a political aggenda. I heard they're assasins were ELN, and they are given free reign in Venezuela.

OK, I've said too much again. Lucky I deleted the rest of what I was gonna say.

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El Expatriado says on Oct 27, 2009, 04:13:

By the way JB. How do you know what a "Chavista" is? You can't even spell 'em.

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El Expatriado says on Oct 27, 2009, 04:16:

Also JB, you know ZILCH about the oil patch.

Say no more.

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