Bringing my Colombian Novia to Canada

suizo says on Sep 30, 2009, 07:13:

Wow, just been 1 week with her and you want to get married? Sounds like a rush. But anyways, best of luck!

Crackheads suck!

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chingon says on Sep 30, 2009, 07:21:

don't you dare do it

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Loggi says on Sep 30, 2009, 08:15:

the mind boggles

Live for the moments you can't put into words

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Cheers Terry says on Sep 30, 2009, 08:42:

Wow, you've spent one whole week with her?

Yeah, Canadian Immigration will have no problems seeing that as proof of true love...

Cheers,
Terry

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massimo says on Sep 30, 2009, 08:59:

Have known her for 1 year. Have been videoconferencing with her every day for 1 year.

Met her for the first time 1 month ago for 1 week!

Wish I had a way to spend more time with her in person but work does not permit, and I would like to keep my job as it would be easier to bring her to Canada with a job rather than without.

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Cheers Terry says on Sep 30, 2009, 09:27:

"... Met her for the first time 1 month ago for 1 week!..."

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but Canadian Immigration is already laughing their asses off. You show up with that story and you'll never get permission to bring her to Canada, and rightfully so.

Wake up.

Cheers,
Terry

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El Pingo says on Sep 30, 2009, 10:23:

First post here...and hate to put the boot in straight away but what the ****, give the guy a break will ye. He's sincerely asking for advice and has stayed in contact with this girl for a whole year...that's persevierance, in my book anyways!

Listen, I can't help you on the canadian immigration front but personally I think you have to spend more face to face time with her in Colombia and get to 'really' know this woman before you think of taking her back home. Talking to her over the internet is still a very dislocated way to get to know someone...you have to see how she interacts with you and others around you in real life...over time. Given that most relationships fail everywhere these days...in Canada, US, Europe, etc - you've just got to make it your business to get over to Colombia and get to know this girl better....by hook or by crook.

Out of curiosity - how old are you, how old is she...does she have a job...do you send her over money. Believe me, I'm not a cycnical person at all, but your answers to those simple questions could potentially provide a good statistical probability as to the sucess of your relationship.

Good luck!

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maritime04 says on Sep 30, 2009, 10:45:

El Pingo is a smart man listen to him, video chat, is not the way to get to know some one before a "western" marriage. Ask yourself a couple questions like Why do you want to marry this women? and Why does this women want to marry you? be honest with yourself when you answear those questions.

As for me i am currently making payments on my vitnam bride, who is currently being re-educated in western style cooking, learning english, as well as tailoring skills, and other usefull house hold skills she will need. as soon as her metal cage is finnished and i drag the thing down to the basement i will send her over here, to live as my loving wife, till the day she kills me.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 30, 2009, 11:06:

jajajajajajajajajjaaj, lol....

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Grimace says on Sep 30, 2009, 11:55:

Dont do it, mail order brides become very needy and superficial once they arrive in 1st world countries! She might even ditch you.

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lefty13 says on Sep 30, 2009, 12:27:

Most marriages fail, you already know that. However, I am going to assume you communicate together in the same language (either English or Spanish). I am also going to assume you are in the same relative age range. Finally, I am also going to assume you have talked to her in detail about what it would be like to live in Canada with no family or support support except for you, who I will assume has a job and will be out of the house most of the time. So if my assumptions are correct, why the hell not give it a chance? You probably have a good as chance as anybody. Once you get married you can proabably bring her to Canada in about a year with proper paperwork and money. If you do not communicate well, are significantly older and/or send money to her on a regular basis, know that at this point it is probably not true love. You should also try to get back there a least once more before you marry to be sure. Good luck!

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theflatline says on Sep 30, 2009, 12:38:

My advice is to have PCL, Johnny2000, or myself interview in person and we will give you the thumbs up if she is ok.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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massimo says on Sep 30, 2009, 12:46:

You all raise some good points,

I am 39, she is 29. She is a doctor, we communicate in Spanish. I do not send her money. I have had her meet my family online so she will feel comfortable when and if customs allows her to come in.

I guess what I am asking for is the best way to bring her in( Visas etc) with minimal problems. I am considering going back 1 more time at this point before going back again and marrying her.

Any ideas would be appreciated.....

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tabla says on Sep 30, 2009, 13:21:

Collect evidence of a genuine friendship and marriage. Get professional wedding album done by prof photographer. Invite your family and ask them to send you a written reply. Etc. Try to create a document etc out of every clue. Good luck.

I also write for the archive.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 30, 2009, 13:23:

Why would a 29 doctor who must make a decent living in Colombia move to Canada where her license to practice medicine would be nil and void?

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theflatline says on Sep 30, 2009, 13:31:

You need to create a serious paper trail.

I would say fly to Colombia at least six times. Buy something with both your names.

Like the cable bill or a cell phone plan.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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massimo says on Sep 30, 2009, 13:32:

Maybe she is in love and wants to be with me. That is the impression I am getting. What other reasons have plagued your thoughts? :)

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massimo says on Sep 30, 2009, 13:36:

I don't have the time to fly to Colombia 6 timer, I would like to get her here before the end of 2010 or sooner. I need a quick and dirty solution if any, does anyone have any ideas....

Thanks

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theflatline says on Sep 30, 2009, 13:38:

Massimo,

You need to create a huge paper trail to prove that she is love with you to your own countries immigration.

Take pics at the beach, take pics at the salt mine, pics of everything a couple who was traditionally dated would do.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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massimo says on Sep 30, 2009, 13:49:

theflatline, what i have so far is pics in churches with her, in the salt mine outside Bogota, in restaurants, we took a lot of pictures together while I was there.

I also have the history of our MSN Messenger conversations for the last year, almost every day. With dates and times.

Next time I will visit I will make it a point to take more pictures, anything else i Can do?

Is there any way to get her into Canada sooner than the normal 8-12 month wait after marriage?

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Saltador says on Sep 30, 2009, 14:20:

8-12 months is very optomistic thinking on your part. A canadian friend of mine married his girl over a year ago in colombia and is still trying to get her to Canada.

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massimo says on Sep 30, 2009, 14:30:

Any way to get her into canada sooner than that?

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Cheers Terry says on Sep 30, 2009, 14:57:

massimo, you're not listening... video chatting is not dating, it's not a relationship, it's utterly meaningless to Canadian Immigration.

Cheers,
Terry

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massimo says on Sep 30, 2009, 15:05:

Terry, I believe I pointed out that I have 1 yrs worth of chat on messenger. I also have many pics of us together in Bogota. I have pics with her family and me as well. I do not have the time to visit Bogota many more times. I want to know of the best way to get her in here as quickly as possible. So if you do not know, then let someone else that has some ideas respond. Maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

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onthemoon says on Sep 30, 2009, 15:27:

Hope you dont show your hot online conversations .... ay sorry. jiji

Love Happens...

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r01dan says on Sep 30, 2009, 15:33:

Legally, there isn't any faster way. Here are the official processing times for bringing a spouse into the country : http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/international/05-fc-spo... Scroll down to the bottom to see Bogota. I just sent all the papers in to Immigration last week (thank you to everyone that helped me here). I think one mistake you made was talking to her for so long before you visited her. I dont have a clue what Immigration is looking for exactly as far as what is the threshold that makes it a legitimate relationship (visits, time communicating, etc...) but you should try to get down there a couple more times if you can to spend more physical time together. I visited my my now wife 4 times in a little over a years time. Probably that's not enough for immigration either, I dont know. Time will tell. Unless you have unlimited funds and a very flexible career it's hard to get away for long periods of time or multiple times in a year. In the end, for most of us going this route it's a bit of a crap shoot. An extra week or two together probably isn't going to open your eyes to anything significant. However, for your own sake and for Immigration try to visit her a couple more times. If you can, try to see how your lady reacts to different situations when your not in the luvy duvy mode. Try to get a true sense of her personality when everything is not perfect. Also, try to be honest with yourself and make sure that your personalities are compatible. Best of luck.

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ratbag says on Sep 30, 2009, 15:44:

well fuck me..if this isn't a love story I don't know what is...fantastic stuff massimo... good for you amigo.

true love at it's best. video conferencing will do that.

that's exactly what i would do. find true love on the internet, know her in person for a week, then fly her to your country and get her to move in with you...fantastic.

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Cheers Terry says on Sep 30, 2009, 16:09:

"... Terry, I believe I pointed out that I have 1 yrs worth of chat on messenger. I also have many pics of us together in Bogota. I have pics with her family and me as well. I do not have the time to visit Bogota many more times. I want to know of the best way to get her in here as quickly as possible. So if you do not know, then let someone else that has some ideas respond. Maybe there is a light at the end of the tunnel..."

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massimo, you're still not listening.

Your video chatting means NOTHING. In fact, since you did it for an entire year before spending a cent to see her in person it actually HURTS your case with Canadian Immigration.

You have "many photos?" Are you kidding? From a 1 week trip?!?!

In the eyes of the law you have never dated this girl. In the eyes of the law you don't have a relationship. In the eyes of the law you've invested almost no time, money or effort to advance the relationship. One lousy week in Bogota is just as meaningless as your pretend relationship over a computer. If you take this pretend "evidence" to Canadian Immigration there will be a red flag on your file that will torpedo ANY future attempt to bring her to Canada.

Stop trying to imagine some magical, "... light at the end of the tunnel..." and grow up and take some responsibility for your situation.

Cheers,
Terry

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sloopskipper says on Sep 30, 2009, 16:20:

massimo (newbie) says on Sep 30, 2009, 13:36 (today): flag

"I don't have the time to fly to Colombia 6 timer, I would like to get her here before the end of 2010 or sooner. I need a quick and dirty solution if any, does anyone have any ideas...."

Quick and dirty can quickly become quick and messy (especially if children become involved).

I married a European woman after knowing her for for more than a year (we worked together, and the marriage was a secret in the beginning, and we first lived together for a few months).

She was already living in the U.S. and spoke flawless English (with a cute accent, but it was her 5th language). We worked for the same corporation, and she even made more money that I did. There was a considerable culture shock and it was a damned bumpy ride in the beginning. We had many disagreements in the early years. But the marriage did last for 30 years.

I guess what I am trying to say is that it seems that your limited time together, her being detached from her Latin American family (assuming you are aware of the structure and connections), and even the prospects of the horrible winter weather in Canada (I don't think you wrote that she visited), will do little to add the chances of a long-term relationship. Inviting her to visit you in February might well be the deal breaker, OR maybe make you think about moving to Colombia?

Will the lady accept the problems involved in trying to practice medicine in Canada?

A prominent U.S. psychologist claims on radio that “Marriage is not just advanced dating”. It is a major life-changing event, which might evolve into a family unit.

Not to piss on your parade, but being the devil’s advocate, hopefully you are approaching this with your eyes wide open. You are facing many possible problems (emotional & financial)

However, best wishes, and I hope that your dreams can be realized!

OMG, are there no wonderful, intellegent, and charming women in the 200,000,000+ in the U.S. and Canada that young Canadia & U.S. men (?) must seek life partners 3-4,000 miles away?

Incredible!

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 30, 2009, 16:49:

"massimo, you're not listening... video chatting is not dating, it's not a relationship, it's utterly meaningless to Canadian Immigration."

"Terry, I believe I pointed out that I have 1 yrs worth of chat on messenger. I also have many pics of us together in Bogota."


Priceless, just priceless! jajajajajajjaajj

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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theflatline says on Sep 30, 2009, 17:09:

PCL,

Do soiled tissues count?

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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Chriscan (☼Travelguide writer) says on Sep 30, 2009, 17:12:

Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 30, 2009, 17:19:

Better off using and old sock you can wash to cut down on the tissue and paper towel bill.. jjajajajajlol

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jman73 says on Sep 30, 2009, 17:25:

Why not spend a few bucks and contact an immigration attorney to find out exactly what can be done and how long it will take. Oh yea, I forgot your Canadian..... Never mind.

"Anyone who thinks that Colombia is a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." jman73

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sloopskipper says on Sep 30, 2009, 19:02:

ratbag says on Sep 30, 2009, 16:33 (today): flag

"cheersterry and sloopskipper you both have no idea what your talking about...
this relationship will last forever..at the speed it is progressing kids will be next the visa...true love

hell who wouldn't get a girl to move in within them after a week, wait fuck it even better get married after a week. fantastic.
massimo's got it right..."

With the "wisdom" you offer, you certainly have found an appropriate "handle" and foto.

I'd be surprised if you ever had a meaningful (or otherwise) relationship, from what you write.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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sloopskipper says on Sep 30, 2009, 19:19:

massimo , You maybe just need a little "slow-down" and reality check?

If it's worthwhile, maybe it's worthwhile waiting for?

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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robbie1 says on Sep 30, 2009, 19:47:

Sloop, I think he was being sarcastic.

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Sep 30, 2009, 20:01:

RatBag Sarcastic? I dont know if he even has the capacity to be sarcastic.

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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manINred says on Sep 30, 2009, 21:35:

It is unfortunate that she is a doctor looking to move to Canada. She will find that her years of studying hard to become a medical professional will go to waste if she ever arrives in Canada.

You should inform her fully of that fact.

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theflatline says on Sep 30, 2009, 21:38:

Or she can study a little harder and a few more years and become a doctor in Canada as well.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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manINred says on Sep 30, 2009, 21:43:

"Or she can study a little harder and a few more years"

She wouldn't necessarily have to study harder... she'd have to study the same stuff she learned in Colombia all over again. And a few extra years after extensive medical training isn't exactly a nice welcome to a new country.

The point is, Canada has a very poor integration infrastructure for professionals coming from overseas.

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wendell13 says on Oct 1, 2009, 05:11:

Ratbag has got it right....I agree with him 100%. You need to heed his advice

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AFEE13 says on Oct 1, 2009, 06:40:

You sure shes not trying to get a free ride to north america? Best wishes

Never looking back or too far in front of me, the present is a gift and I just want to BE

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Grimace says on Oct 1, 2009, 07:02:

I have not had much luck with Mail order brides or online romances. I always seem to get shafted!

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gatogris says on Oct 1, 2009, 07:14:

Unfortunately, you are up against some fairly 'stiff' empirical evidence, as Cheers Terry has been (somewhat acerbically) harping upon. The data available suggests online dating partners do not have a great track record in longevity, a fact of which Immigration Canada is no doubt aware.

Most studies of computer-mediated romances describe the medium as limited in one way or another. If one conceives of romantic interaction as on one level to be an exchange of information, than I don't think there is any question that the information conveyed online is pretty impoverished compared to face-to-face (or hip-to-hip) interaction.

What does this have to do with me, you ask? Well, when the medium is impoverished, participants can't get as much information as quickly as they would face-to-face, so they fill in the blanks optimistically about their potential partner. They idealize them in light of incomplete information - the ever-hopeful imagination goes to work, a dynamic that I don't think is foreign to many visitors of this site.

More recent research suggests that when one streamlines love relationships into mutually beneficial transactions, as online dating tends to do, partners tend to lose their ability to experience spontaneous emotion and are inhibited in giving to the other without some expectation of a return favor.

Take it from the Bard:

I never saw that you did painting need,
And therefore to your fair no painting set;
I found, or thought I found, you did exceed
The barren tender of a poet's debt

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CharlieTheOwl says on Oct 1, 2009, 07:33:

People underestimate videoconference and MSN. You can learn much more about the person than in real life.

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gatogris says on Oct 1, 2009, 07:43:

So true. Real life is completely overrated. Better to be a brain stem floating in amniotic fluid than have to deal with the ickiness of interpersonal relations. Real life is much too painful. It is so numbingly sweet to enfold myself behind a warm blankie of screens with my soother stuck in my mouth than to actually woo a person. My screen and a few little pharmaceutical friends, some processed food that I can download into my adult diapers, and finally I am well on the way to expunging all of my problems. You'll have to excuse me if I resemble a legless rat kept in a lightless cage - that's just evolution, ya dig?

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massimo says on Oct 1, 2009, 07:50:

You are all hilarious. Sounds like I need to pay Bogota quite a few more visits before Immigration will see this as credible, I just can not leave work so many times. However, I do not want this drag to 2012... I would like to get her here before the EO 2010

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chingon says on Oct 1, 2009, 07:53:

why the rush, dude seriously?....

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massimo says on Oct 1, 2009, 07:59:

Do you know of another way to get her in quicker?

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Oct 1, 2009, 08:01:

"why the rush, dude seriously?...."

Why, obviously he's NOT getting laid in Canada! Thats the rush! lol

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gatogris says on Oct 1, 2009, 08:07:

I cannot advocate this unless it is absolutely a matter of verifiable fact, but Canadian law has shown a lot of leniency toward Colombians in particular under existing refugee laws, a practice which has not changed (yet) under the Harper government. There are a number of legal agencies in Toronto that specifically cater to the Colombian community. A matter of a few minutes of online research will provide you with contact info. I would put your wife directly in touch with one of their Spanish-speaking attorneys.

This, of course, would achieve results much more rapidly than going through other channels.

If you are desperate, there is always a way.

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El Pingo says on Oct 1, 2009, 08:08:

Gatogris said regarding web chat/msn: '...when the medium is impoverished, participants can't get as much information as quickly as they would face-to-face, so they fill in the blanks optimistically about their potential partner. They idealize them in light of incomplete information - the ever-hopeful imagination goes to work, a dynamic that I don't think is foreign to many visitors of this site.'

Excellently put! There is no substitiution for real life interaction for developing a relationship...anything else is extremely risky. But Massimo is intent on pursuing things with this girl and we should respect that. Out of curiousity I did a google seach on the validity of logging web chats for immigration purposes...and guess what, apparently it counts for something - it would be logical to me that any sort of proof of an on-going relationship has to be taken into account...so don't listen to anybody here without any form of substantiation. It's also logical that this could only carry so much weight. The point made that Massimo has taken so long before actually meeting the girl is valid - hey you've got to show real intent in this relationship - and one weeks trip to colombia is unlikely to count for much. An immigration laywer is surely your next step...a couple hours advice as how to go about this right now from somebody who actually knows what they are talking about would help your case!

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massimo says on Oct 1, 2009, 08:15:

I was confident there was considerable knowledge on this site. I was right. Let's hope I am right about the gut feeling about her as well :)

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Cheers Terry says on Oct 1, 2009, 09:40:

1.) "... Canadian law has shown a lot of leniency toward Colombians in particular under existing refugee laws, a practice which has not changed (yet) under the Harper government..."

I'm betting that Chriscan would disagree heartily. His situation is much better than massimo's in that he's married to a Colombian gal, he lives in Alberta and Colombia (where he's gainfully employed) and he still can't get her into Canada yet. In any case it's a moot point, refugee and spousal immigration regulations are apples and oranges.

2.) "... on the validity of logging web chats for immigration purposes...and guess what, apparently it counts for something..."

That is incorrect. It only counts as a positive aspect IF the relationship is pursued in a direct face-to-face manner, otherwise it works exactly as I stated earlier, it harms the application process. Since massimo has made almost no attempt to further the relationship with direct contact then the video chatting alone is a negative in the eyes of Canadian Immigration.

Cheers,
Terry

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azulvioleta says on Oct 1, 2009, 10:41:

Hello Massimo, I know how you feel, because my story is similar to yours. My husband is Canadian, I am from Cali. We got married 5 months ago in my city, after a year of relation, and he just came to visit me once before the wedding, he spent time with my family and we had holidays in San Andres y Eje Cafetero, we took a lot of pictures. We tried to obtain my temporary resident visa to Canada but the embassy said no, I think that is no easy for a colombian girl get it. He called to immigration Canada y we obtain all the info about the permanent resident visa as wife and we applied, I am waiting for that but I think that the wait will be longer because I receive the letter from the embassy and it says that can last 14 month more.

what youi really need is call to the processing immigration center and has more information, and collect as much proof if the relationship that shows that shows that is real, and try to come often, my husband and I have been together for 17 months in total and he has come 3 times, we got pictures of my families and holidays together...

I wish this info can helps you a little...

Azulvioleta

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El Pingo says on Oct 1, 2009, 10:48:

Terry...you said: 'massimo, you're not listening... video chatting is not dating, it's not a relationship, it's utterly meaningless to Canadian Immigration.'

That is an emphaitc statement that apparently is not true from what I have read...massimo should probably use his web chat logs from just some time before he came to bogota...I agree with you that showing a years worth of this stuff prior to his meeting her would most likely be be harmful or at least irrelevant - but to state what I posted in my previous entry as incorrect is not true.

We're starting to split hairs here...we're not really that much in disagreement here - just maybe you were a bit harsh on the guy, that's all - though in all honesty it has given him a bit of a well-needed reality check...

Cheers!

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gatogris says on Oct 1, 2009, 11:39:

Cheers Terry,

"I'm betting that Chriscan would disagree heartily. His situation is much better than massimo's in that he's married to a Colombian gal, he lives in Alberta and Colombia (where he's gainfully employed) and he still can't get her into Canada yet."

Now, given his situation as outlined by you, why would he disagree with a statement about refugee immigration?

Look into the history of Latin American immigration into Canada since the early 70s. Or maybe just read between the lines in my statement above. Now, do you really believe that refugee and spousal immigration are always "apples and oranges" in actual practice? I'm guessing you have the perspicacity to take my point without me having to spell it out for you on the blackboard.

Cheers, Terry

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Cheers Terry says on Oct 1, 2009, 15:14:

El Pingo, you're not discussing my statements in context when you disagree with them, but you're in complete agreement when you do. Bottom line: Massimo's video dating to this point will only hurt his case if he attempts to use it as "evidence" of a relationship. I've tried to make this clear to him so he doesn't shoot himself in the foot and have Canadian Immigration red flag his file immediately. He'd really be screwed then.

Gatogris, you're the one that brought up the reference to refugee law. Even though it's immaterial to Massimo's particular situation I chose to not correct you and simply comment that overall there is little to no leniency given in spousal cases yet and Chriscan's unfortunate case being one good example. The agencies you mention are by and large powerless to make anything happen, they exist primarily as translators for the paperwork.

Cheers,
Terry

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JohnEvans says on Oct 1, 2009, 17:47:

I don't think gatogris's comment is immaterial...unfortunately he is probably right.

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christobeldawg says on Oct 1, 2009, 21:49:

For this guy's sake, I am not too worried about the visa process as I am the relationship. From what I have seen here, there is not enough information to say whether it is solid or flaky. He did say something about hoping his gut feeling was right. That did not inspire me with confidence, since the odds of marriages working out in real life are 50-50 at best. I would think even if all of this is legit, and if they are both stable, and both feel genuine love, that her giving up her doctor job, which she would have to, is quite a stretch. I like to see the glass as half full, to a fault, but buddy, I think you need to get realistic, and job or no job, spend some time with her before risking a quick divorce, and alot of cash and heartache. All that said, good luck, with her or with someone else.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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gatogris says on Oct 2, 2009, 10:40:

CheersTerry,

Now why do you suppose I brought up refugee immigration in reference to Colombian-Canadian immigration practices when the thread was spousal immigration? Do you think I was confused as to what was being discussed? Or did it cross your mind that I might be implying something?

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Cheers Terry says on Oct 2, 2009, 11:24:

gatogris, I can't imagine what you might or might not have been implying. Canadian Immigration policy towards refugees has nothing whatsoever to do with a Canadian having an Internet chat relationship with a Colombian doctor and wanting to bring her to Canada.

Massimo needs to meet the requirements of Canadian Immigration and he has not accomplished this yet. In fact, he's unfortunately done the exact opposite.

Best of luck to him to reverse his course of action thus far.

Cheers,
Terry

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catacol says on Oct 4, 2009, 17:27:

Hello Massimo,

My best advice since I'm applying for a resident visa...is starting to work in putting all togheter the papers you will need for the aplication righ now! so you can present the application right after the marriage...

I married on April ..and I spent more than 2 moths to get all the papers they asked me for...so if you start to work before the marriage that will give you extra time..

I hope it helps,

Bye Bye

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sloopskipper says on Oct 4, 2009, 19:11:

I think that the deal-breaker could be to send her airfare to visit you in Canada in Mid-January/February and let her experience your country.

Of course, I wish you both the best, in spite of the red flags flying and the fact that the 8-ball says "There could storms on the horizon."

The early days of a marriage can/will be stressful, without differences of culture/religion/age. It appears that she, in her education/career, has been maybe been more sucessful? That is also a possible stressful situation if she can possibly get licensed in Canada. Can you deal with her earning more (maybe much more)? Don't discount that possibility, because my Panamanian doctor is also licensed to practice in Florida, where he learned his specialties.

But, we often disregard sensible caution, and follow out hearts, letting the chips fall, where they may. Sometimes we are right.

However, distant and unknown people can offer little advice on the internet (except re. migración, although that was really your question) of any value. You must make your own decisions, based on the facts and, whatever.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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