Breaking News: Anyone Have Reletives in Orlando? Massive Shooting with Dead& Wounded Downtown

panthdave says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:14:

CNN is reporting 7 wounded critical condition...but none dead

panthdave Miami

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:16:

makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:22:

miamimike says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:33:

Yep, happens everywhere. At least no one was sequestered at the ATM. They report they got the Shooter. 1 dead now from 2 dead an hour ago. They don't Florida the Gunshine State for nothing,,,

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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nine inch nails says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:50:

is so strange I just happen to be modifying one of their (RS&H's) Engineering studies right now and I have stayed many times at the Sheraton next door to the office building.

Dear Lord,
Please get me home safe from work today!

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RobbieRobNJ says on Nov 6, 2009, 15:14:

The shootings on the base were by an arab american soldier with anti american info on his computer ! He should of been thrown out of the military long before this happend !

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Simon says on Nov 6, 2009, 16:26:

This is very tragic.

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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excavator59 says on Nov 6, 2009, 19:06:

Sad but when you come from a country with gun culture.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

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Juepaje says on Nov 7, 2009, 03:56:

Excavator,

I got my first shotgun when I was 7 years old, rifle when I was 10 and pistol when I was 15. I have never shot anyone nor do I know of any other gun owner who has shot anyone. Every one I know in the US has at least one gun. I have one here in Colombia. They have guns on military bases in the US. The people have guns to protect themselves from the government in the US. "Guns are the teeth of the constitution." George Washington "When there is a government that fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyrany." Thomas Jefferson. That is why we have the 2nd Amendment. People kill people. They do not need a gun to do this. There are no murders in your Great Britain? I know there is great fear of your government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKdBxpKqUvs

Sic enim dilexit Deus mundum ut Filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam.

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Juepaje says on Nov 7, 2009, 03:57:

Sic enim dilexit Deus mundum ut Filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 7, 2009, 06:20:

This doesn't happen in Colombia? jaja OK man.

Rodriguez was ultimately apprehended at his mother's apartment on Curry Ford Road about 2:20 p.m"

What a POS so then he runs home to mommy? Sad sad sad.

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niolasarboleda says on Nov 7, 2009, 06:23:

Isn't Ginny Simone an NRA employee? This kind of spurious 'journalism' lacks credibility regardless of your view on gun ownership, which is why it doesn't make it past youtube.

As many on PBH are no doubt aware, depicting other states as oppressors of freedom and basic human rights is typically used as a tool to control ones own population and frequently doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

The Internet. Strengthening the case against free speech every day.

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aztec says on Nov 7, 2009, 06:40:

I believe it is not easy for the average resident to own a gun in Colombia. Apparently criminals have no trouble. Therefor every honest person is ipso facto safer.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 7, 2009, 06:46:

It is very easy to buy an illegal gun in Colombia and cheap. A revolver off the street runs you about $50 to $75. New in the box will cost you about $200 dollars or so easy as pie. So much for gun control.

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miamimike says on Nov 7, 2009, 10:25:

Like I say, there's a reason Florida is called the Gunshine State,,,everyday you see the results here in Miami of cheapo street guns.

No hay Peor Ciego que el que no quiere Ver o Sordo que el que no quiera Oir--Soy Yo, Sarah Palin, Wasilla Alaska.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 7, 2009, 10:30:

yeah, mike...........mariacvetonoski...our very own....called me yesterday, frantically racing to pick up her son because the shoot out was right by the school. copy cat. he lost his job "TWO YEARS AGO" and wanted some payback. ???

patriarch

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mariacvetanoski says on Nov 7, 2009, 11:03:

yes there was some schools here on lockdown and the killer was right by my sons school and the apartment we live out here in orlando!!

they dont do this in COLOMBIA , not so far ... ?

Save the street children of Colombia Now!!

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dwmte7 says on Nov 7, 2009, 12:34:

hola, maria................

patriarch

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Juepaje says on Nov 7, 2009, 20:02:

niolasarboleda,
The video was not journalism. It showed the march actually happened and how many Brits feel about their loss of rights. As most people are aware, the people of England have been so apathetic for so long that they have forgotten to teach their own history in their schools. When guns were legal, the bobbies did not carry guns because they did not have the need. Since they have become illegal, criminals have easy access to guns and need not worry about whom they attack. I only used England as an example. There are many countries that have done the same with the same results. Two generations ago, no one would have believed that the British people would willing give up their right to defend themselves and their property which was written into the Magna Carta almost 1000 years ago. Benjamin Frankin said that anyone who gives up any freedom for security deserves niether. It is very difficult to get a legal gun in Colombia and I seriously doubt a legal gun owner has ever used one in a criminal act. A $150 pistol in the US costs over $2000 here and it is a long process to get one. I travel long distances with money and/or other people's money and need one in my work. It is that or hire a body guard for a day or two. In the long run it is cheaper to own a gun and I know how to use it probably better than most body guards. I am a target and have been robbed twice but not since I started carrying a pistol and stopped using cell phones. It is still legal in Colombia to defend yourself and your property. When it becomes illegal, I will move elsewhere.

Sic enim dilexit Deus mundum ut Filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam.

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niolasarboleda says on Nov 8, 2009, 06:19:

Thanks J. I agree, the video was not journalism, however with the exception of Clint Eastwood toting a six shooter, the video portrayed itself as journalism (someone holding a microphone with a prison as a backdrop saying "I was the first reporter to...', for example). It had the look and feel of journalism. I wasn't aware that the British no longer have the right to defend themselves and their property (please don't tell makopp - Germany would have a field day with this kind of information), nor that the Magna Carta gave them that right (they forgot to teach me that in school :)). If ever I decide to take up a life of piracy, Britain will be high on my list of ports of call. I am fairly sure that the Magna Carta didn't cover gun ownership, that gun control predates the rise in gun crime in the UK, and that the increase in gun crime is not connected to new restrictions on gun ownership. Also, it looked like the march was protesting a ban on hunting, not gun ownership. I don't have an issue with gun ownership, just proselytizing it (which the video understandably did). I guess that makes my comment off topic looking back at the original post.

Out of curiosity, what is the process to get a legal gun in Colombia and once you get approval, why can't you just import the gun you want and pay taxes on it?

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Juepaje says on Nov 8, 2009, 07:42:

My lawyer got all of the forms that I needed and I had to get a psychiatric exam, physical, a certification letter from DAS that I was not wanted for anything. Then you have to write a letter to the Lt. Colonel at your local army base stating the reasons why you want or need a gun. Then you have to go and meet with him and answer a bunch of questions from him. If he signs off on your letter, he will then pass it on to another official which can take weeks and they will put the official stamp on the letter. During this process you will have deposited 200K COP for the documentation process. Once all of this is done you can go and get your gun.

They do not have a great selection. You buy what you think best but you do not actually own the gun. The gun is owned by the Republica de Colombia. You can not sell the gun but you can transfer the right to carry it to your wife, son, or daughter but not a cousin or in-law. You can legally buy 100 rounds, which is two boxes for a 9mm, every six months. You can also get bullets on the black market and cheaper but the army sells only one brand. If you get caught with a different brand of bullet in your gun, you will go to jail and not pass go. They will also take their gun away from you and you won't ever be able to get one again.

I am well aware that guns did not exist when the Magna Carta was written. The Carta did allow you to defend yourself and your property. In England, that is not legal now. You have to have the state do this for you just as you have to have the state care for your health and you in your old age.

I, personally, prefer to care for myself and don't want or need any help from the state to do this. I have two beautiful daughters who are both NRA certified sharp shooters. They were taught to hunt, trap and fish by me just as I was taught by my father and he by his father and so on for hundreds of years. Hunting and self defense are important skills especially for women. We still have the muskets and rifles from The Revolution and the War for Southern Independence of my fore'-fathers. My youngest hunts with the same 30.06 Sprinfield rifle that my grandfather used to kill Germans with during the 1st world war. It has been the hunting gun in my family ever since.

This is just my opinion. We can agree to disagree on anything and still find common ground. I am not a hater but have a different opinion because of where I was born and how I was raised. I know most people don't like guns and think by outlawing them that their world is safer. I simply and respectfully disagree. Peace.

Sic enim dilexit Deus mundum ut Filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 8, 2009, 10:42:

amen, bro.

patriarch

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webmanco says on Nov 8, 2009, 14:22:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/francheska-velez-pregnant_n_3...





Masacre de Fort Hood vertió sangre boricua-colombiana
Francheska Vélez, quien retornó de Irak por estar embarazada, encontró la muerte en Texas



Francheska Vélez, de 21 años, era de padre colombiano y madre boricua. Pereció bajo el fuego de Hasan mientras tramitaba su regreso a casa, porque estaba embarazada. (AP)


Por José A. Delgado / jdelgado at elnuevodía.com

WASHINGTON – Francheska Vélez, militar de origen puertorriqueño que retornaba a Estados Unidos procedente de Irak debido a su embarazo, fue una de las víctimas de la matanza del jueves en la base Fort Hood, en Texas.

Vélez, de 21 años, había conseguido una licencia por maternidad para poder volver a su casa, en Chicago, Illinois.

En Fort Hood, donde encontró la muerte como consecuencia de la masacre que originó el mayor del Ejército Nidal Hasan, que dejó 13 muertes y 30 heridos, Vélez hacía los trámites administrativos para finalmente retornar a Chicago en algún momento del mes próximo.


“Nunca pensé que iba a morir aquí. Era nuestra bebé”, dijo su padre, Juan Guillermo Vélez, de origen colombiano, al diario “Chicago Tribune”, tras indicar que los meses que su hija estuvo asignada a Irak no podía conciliar el sueño y cuando finalmente ella arribó a Fort Hood pensó que sus días de tensión habían acabado.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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excavator59 says on Nov 9, 2009, 20:13:

A guy commited a massacre in Scotland about 10 years ago killing a number of small children he was a gun club member he was pissed about something to do with his gun licence so went on a killing spree ok not all people are maniacs but personally I hate guns,knifes etc.

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

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dwmte7 says on Nov 11, 2009, 07:06:

in good part, i agree, excavator. i grew up with guns, hunting, etc, then did the military thing--more guns, bigger and more dangerous--then after that nightmare military thing, came home and tried to reassemble a regular life. then many many years later, i rounded up all my guns--way too many, which included some my father had releived some nazis of and sold them all. now, gun free, i rely on my first line of defense.....a smile.

patriarch

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Lowell says on Nov 11, 2009, 15:41:

Me too. Guns all my life. Now fire extinguisher is my first line of defence. Laugh? Ever been blasted in the face with dry chemicals? After that, it's my bat to polish things off.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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dwmte7 says on Nov 13, 2009, 11:46:

funny about the f. extinguisher, lowell. when were in h school, we tried to crash this chicano street party and ended up with a bunch of rabid dudes hopping in their cars and chasing us down the street. one guy pulls up along side and throws a brick at me and it lands on my hood. so i told my friend in the back seat to use the f. extinguisher o them. he sticks the hose out the window and sprays down everyone in the car next to us real good and all we heard was a bunch of screaming and i'm not sure, but i think he mighta crashed his car. we just kept going. the rest of the cars just stayed behind with him. this was in like 1959-60 ish before the cholos and everyone else had guns. yikes.

patriarch

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excavator59 says on Nov 14, 2009, 22:05:

Sounds like American Graffiti ,great in what Plymouth Furys,De Sotos, Chevy Bel Airs etc or more likely a 1941 Ford not a 59
to quote an Eddie Cochrane song!

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

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dwmte7 says on Nov 15, 2009, 13:19:

at that time, i had a 55 pontiac starchief, two door hardtop....not bad for the time.

my first car was this ugly 39 ford four door sedan that i painted with a five gallon can and a broom.

patriarch

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excavator59 says on Nov 15, 2009, 16:24:

Mine was a 1966 Austin Mini 850cc (not even a Cooper S) bit different in size etc but fun!

Life is like a Pubic Hair on a Toilet Seat (Sooner or Later you get Pissed Off)

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