Barking Spider closing ?

yadid10 says on Nov 5, 2009, 16:50:

Too bad, that place is really nice

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babygirl says on Nov 5, 2009, 17:06:

awwww and I didn't get a chance to visit. Sounds like it would have been fun :) Shame if it's true.

Best quote of the week... "should I be taking this pill with wine?" Canadian Girls Kick Ass!

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bickerss says on Nov 5, 2009, 17:22:

I agree - a great shame; good service, good beer and a really nice bar. I hear it is opening in another local though!!

Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!!

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whitewidow says on Nov 5, 2009, 17:24:

their hash was the best in town

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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Satan says on Nov 5, 2009, 17:36:

In the restaurant/bar business you must have one or more of the following to succeed... Location location location, exceptional cuisine or low prices or at the very least rent/overhead so low you can afford to run the business and basically just work for wages. Unfortunately for Albert he had none of the above. It was apparent from the first time I walked into his place he wouldn't be around for long. His location, as compared to the other popular watering holes/eateries in Lleras, was not the optimum and the quality of his food was nothing exceptional, mediocre food at best and his prices were, obviously, not competitive enough to draw customers to his place.

Another one bites the dust!

Nata S.

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David Pristupa says on Nov 5, 2009, 18:20:

Opportunity for another Hooters... In business its location location location. In the Hooters business it is Girls Girls Girls!!!

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MaBarker says on Nov 5, 2009, 18:58:

And there will be another gringo owned watering hole in parque lleras closing soon, and this place has everything that satan talks about above, but still closing. tough business.

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Satan says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:14:

Hmmmmm.... Jamaica is closing? Maybe it's because of the owners preoccupation with making the "perfect" drink concoction and it taking so freaking long to get one. Or maybe it was because the music was extremely ear piercing load it drove his customers away. Or maybe it was because the owner was simply bored living in Medellin.... I am under the understanding it was the latter.

Nata S.

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theflatline says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:19:

Ear piercing loud music and long times to get a drink or pretty normal here in Colombia.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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Satan says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:24:

And people wonder why many businesses in Colombia aren't around for long....

Nata S.

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MaBarker says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:28:

Satan, i feel i know you personally, like we've met before.

but anyway, here is another view you've had in the past on this subject of restaurants........

Satan comments on Donut Business - Turn Key for sale

It's very rare for anyone to sell a "profitable" business. Most business that are not profitable, but create cash for and wages for the owner, are the ones you will find for sale. There is of course the exception to the rule and this might be one of those. All the best larryrn!

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Satan says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:33:

Ma.... and your point is?

Nata S.

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MaBarker says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:35:

are you c_ _ _ _? your main user name, that is. i won't say anything else.

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Satan says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:39:

You are free to say anything want... you're barking up the wrong tree.

Nata S.

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MaBarker says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:42:

that's not it? alright, how about this idea, do you own a business in parque lleras?

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Satan says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:46:

Nope, not even a business in Colombia. Again, what's your point and what does it have to do with this thread?

Nata S.

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MaBarker says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:49:

haha, with a name like Satan, I thought you would be more playful. I think we know each other, that's all.

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MaBarker says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:49:

carry on and good nite.

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:53:

I went to the Barking Spider twice about 3 weeks ago. Albert obviously put a lot of work and money into making it a nice place. And it is. Me and Gloid got a hamburger special that was 8mil. The beers were 2mil if I remember right (domestic). Anyway, for Lleras, that's more than reasonable. But the place was absolutely dead. It was very sad to not see it busy. I guess it has to be location, even though it is only a block from the park.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:55:

And the hamburger was excellent. Cute server too. I don't know about the hash. Jajaja

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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theflatline says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:55:

Robert,

That is downright cheap, in Manizales in the zona rosa you pay 4k for Aguila.

Legaleez for Complete Morons - A book for gringos in Colombia for who think they understand the nature of the law in a country where they cannot speak the language.

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 5, 2009, 19:59:

I heard he lowered prices to drive some business. Unfortunately doesn't look like it's working. Plus I heard Albert had a terrible moto accident. Hard to run a business from a bed.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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Satan says on Nov 5, 2009, 20:04:

When he first opened his prices were higher. He lowered his beer prices only after realizing he wasn't getting the business he thought he would. Too little too late! I guess he hoped to gain new customers with his new and improved pricing structure. Not to mention he initially had his main bar upstairs (BIG MISTAKE) and when people, potential customers, walked by they couldn't see anyone inside so they moved on. He subsequently moved the bar downstairs but again, too little too Iate! I defer to my previous comments as to why he did not succeed.

Nata S.

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yummyj says on Nov 5, 2009, 21:37:

Here is a good point for Satan and relate to this thread. (Well, related to the big words you have run off.)...

No business in Colombia. You seem to know everything about it. So, why don't you have a business in Colombia?

Please don't say, "Because I don't want one."

"Those who can; do."

How about - put your money where your mouth is.

Just because you have been to Colombia, that does NOT mean that you are anywhere near an expert on the place. Sorry. Truth hurts.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 5, 2009, 22:21:

any confirmation on the closing?

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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bickerss says on Nov 5, 2009, 22:26:

I would have to say that the medellin market seems to be a nightmare, and very difficult. One may say 'location' however the Barking Spider was (is) a very well set up bar; take a look at Escocia - same sort of deal; nice bar, great location, and still no market. Now compare that to the BBC or Irish Pub in Bogota - same 'theme' and FULL every night. I just think that the Paisa market is very very difficult. Kudos to Albert for giving it a good go.

Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!!

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 5, 2009, 23:33:

Here here Bickerss. He gave it one Hell of a shot. The market in Medallo must be incredibly tough. I would never have the guts to give it a try.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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barrumundi says on Nov 6, 2009, 00:09:

Barking Spider is a member of PBH but no comments since Sept. 3 and no recent info on the facebook page either:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?profile=1&id=116295266913#/pages...

http://poorbuthappy.com/yourthing/post/uploading-photos-for-dummies/

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 6, 2009, 01:59:

Ya, the dude about got killed in a motorcycle accident. I probably wouldn't be too keen on posting either if I was in traction and was watching my investments fade away.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 6, 2009, 02:00:

(point being have some sympathy for him) Not that he wants it. Go by and buy a few beers and get a sandwich.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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spigrimace says on Nov 6, 2009, 02:19:

I believe he would like to sell it for 80 millones, everything included except for his personal effects. If you add up the bar & kitchen equipment, TVs, audio equipment, computer/register, posters, etc. He´s almost giving you all the reformations which are less than a year old, for free. All in all, quite cheap for that part of town. To put in perspective, That´s 20 million less than I got for my prima in Belen and my deal didnt include any equipment or the franchise, just the right to kick my arse out of the POS building! Perhaps Satan can pick it up and show everyone how to run a place. Remember 90% of bars/restaurants fail within the first 5 years. It´s not easy. 6 million a month for rent is the toughest obstacle to overcome.

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cstew47 says on Nov 6, 2009, 02:56:

This is a sad event but, unfortunately not a surprise. I have been to the Spider on several occasions and spoken with Albert. He put a lot of effort into the bar and the result, in my opinion, was very pleasing. Maybe it's just my gringo preference, but, to me, it was the nicest bar I have been in here. If this bar was in the US, I am sure it would do well if located properly. As a side note, in my visits to the Spider, I only met other PBHers one time. It probably wouldn't have made a difference but, I am surprised that there wasn't more support from members of the forum.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 03:05:

whitewidow says on Nov 6, 2009, 03:57:

"It probably wouldn't have made a difference but, I am surprised that there wasn't more support from members of the forum"

- with that kind of support, who needs enemies?

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 04:23:

It is hard for a gringo to operate a successful business in Colombia. People here are an envies and clickiest sort and will avoid your business trash talk it out of existance if they know your a gringo short of you being Brad Pitt. They just could not stand to see a gringo do well in Colombia it just makes the waters turn brown. jiji

But beyond that there are only two successful small business models I know of in Colombia and one is surrounded by the drug trade, either selling them, transporting them or washing the money.

That is of course unless you are one of the social elite here? This society is the clickiest I have ever run into and well gringo can come and visit and be welcomeed but for the "money" to come to your place and hang out? You have got to be somebody. It is all about that and any US business model will just fall flat on its face.

So if you have one of those two things you can have the worst location, the highest prices and the shitiest food and still do well.

Welcome to Colombia.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 04:27:

whitewidow says on Nov 6, 2009, 04:28:

my hash business is thriving....... and i am a nobody gringo.

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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kingfish5515 says on Nov 6, 2009, 04:43:

Hate to see this, I have enjoyed the Barking Spider many times as it is probably one of the nicest and most gringo freindly bars around lleras. And Albert is an experienced bar operator with excellent spanish. The last time I was in there his leg was in a cast but he was not out of business due to his accident. He or possibly the landlord, but probably him spent a fortune remodeling the place into a really nice bar. But I never saw it very busy, and in the same hours that the other bars a block away were packed. Some things just dont make sense,, my thinking is that he had a good gringo business but not much locals business and there simply are not enough gringos coming yet to have a gringo centered business of this type. Thanks Albert for the effort, dont let it get you down,, try again somewhere else and make a fortune!! I am a business owner and when things look bleak I always remember I read somewhere that Col Sanders failed at everything he tried until he was well in his fifties and then cooked up a batch of chicken. Kingfish

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 04:51:

Hash? I think I covered the drug business did I not? jaja

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roccatanski says on Nov 6, 2009, 05:16:

one...

Failures in life always have to blame someone so why not blame Colombia, that is 100% loser talk.

"A man is defined by his actions, not his memory" ( Kuato-- total recall)

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 05:19:

A loser is one who does not recognize the truth and live accordingly. The other loser is the one who shows up and attacks someone just trying to help. That you.

I am not blamming anyone nor did I blame anyone, I have a successful business, you read into that whatever you want. I am simply stating my opinion based on ral business expereince here in Colombia not your live fantasy experience in business.

Are you a gringo operating a business in Colombia? No? Then shut up and set down.

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roccatanski says on Nov 6, 2009, 05:25:

Where is the attack?
These same people that fail here would fail at businesses where ever they are.... either in Colombia, their home country or any country ,you are saying it Colombia's fault for these failures and I am saying there is other reasons

"A man is defined by his actions, not his memory" ( Kuato-- total recall)

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 05:30:

No I am not saying it is Colombias fault, I never did. If they do not understand the cultural differences in Colombia from their own experiences in the US then they will probably have a hard time of it here in business and life. That is what I am saying, that is what I tried to exlain. You twist it all around to where I am the loser blaming someone else as you stated? How did I do that? This is not my business?

Damn sometimes it is like talking to 12 year olds on this board.

But go ahead and listen to thes Colombains and when your business goes tits up they will all be laughing behind your back, celebrating our failures. I have seen it Colombian on Colombian an so if it does not go double for a gringo I think someone is smokin something....

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 05:35:

Same old BIG mistake I see over and over again. Colombians and wanna be's getting all offended when somone points out the truth in their society and how it differs from main street America. So what happens gringo falls into that and loses his ass. I am not and have never let it happen to me. I grew up calling a spade a spade and not all this micky mouse feel good bullshit name to make someone feel good. There is no room for that in business. If you want to talk politics then OK.

In the US you can have the biggest dive in the worst part of town but yet serve an elegant meal with a top rated chef at a good price and have a line out the door. Try that business model here? It will fall flat on its face.

But Colombians have such low frickin self esteem that you can not even hint at criticism without them blowing it all up as an attack on them and they go for your throat. It gets fokin old.

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spigrimace says on Nov 6, 2009, 05:52:

Honestly oneformil, I dont buy the we wont patronize you because you are a gringo angle. Most of my clients were colombian and I gained a lot of respect from them for busting my ass, treating them as equals and bending over backwards for every client. Probably how I kept it alive for 5 years. Yes I have seen envious colombians, but when they start to see you as a down to earth friendly person, they drop the attitude. When we used to get 200 people for the super bowl, 150 were colombian. After big Nacional games or Barca vs. RMA classicos with 150 people, many colombian clients always were very polite and came up said hi to me on the way in, and thanked me on their way out. Catering to foreigners has to be just a small facet of your business plan. Not the main objective. I hate to use the word chichipatos but you have to help the cause or the cause wont be there. I dont want to make anyone feel bad, and we all know what it is like to be down on your luck, but for example, go say to Timeout and not spend anything or thinking you did your part buying a bottle of water sitting there from 3 to 6 hours enjoying free NFL when they have a lot of overhead costs, is unnacceptable. Especailly when I have to hear how that you make sooooo much money saved from a great salary or from your businesses, make $100k a year in the market or have 3 condos in Boca Raton. Either someone is lying or someone is a real cheapskate. I already have guys pissed at me because I keep telling the manager at Timeout to charge 20k minimum on NFL, UFC, etc. per person and pay it upon entering. Funny, one time at Alberts a table full of guys asked me why I sold my place. I answered because to have 40 guys sitting around and buying only 650k in food or drink every sunday for NFL isnt going to pay the bills. And many, every week, would buy the cheapest Del Oeste hamburguer and ask for a glass of water from the tap, which is when I noticed my faux paux as all the guys were eating Albert´s wednesday 2 x 1 burger special and glasses of tap water. "sigh".

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MaBarker says on Nov 6, 2009, 06:00:

The problems with the BarkingSpider had everything to do with the design. All that could be seen from the front was 4 or so tables in the front patio that were packed in too close, then floor to ceiling doors right behind. As pointed out above, the bar was on the second floor in the beginning, and it looked 'closed' from out on the sidewalk. Being so close to the sidewalk when sitting at the front tables left you as a sitting duck for pobres asking for money, vendedores, etc. The location being off the park with little foot traffic obviously had something to do with it.

You can't do anything about the location, but in the beginning, if the main part was centered on the 1st floor, well lit inside, no panel doors 8 feet from the entrance, maybe things would be different.

(I own and rent out commercial property within malls)

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whitewidow says on Nov 6, 2009, 06:02:

who said anything about drugs???

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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MaBarker says on Nov 6, 2009, 06:08:

Mr. sprigrimace, thanks for the input concerning nmg's, as you have been there and done that in the restaurant business.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 06:09:

JAJA spig thanks for your post I enjoyed it.

yes and can I say congrads on your business. Now can I also say that when you have a name, when you are someone up in the social pages you attract those kinds of people and trust me when I tell you that they are going to SPEND money, spend their rent check if they have to or their kids college funds to make an impression because when the chisma comes down on you being broke? Dude in Colombia you are dead. It is a feeding frenzy. So it is all about maintaining the illussion and being seen with those worth$$$ being seen with. It is all about that in a class society.

I am a down to earth person and all of that and I don't worry about the people nice to me at the door or leaving or my clients. What I see every day is them thinking their peso has more value than my peso because I am gringo. If you are not experiencing this well then where are you? I will be right there! but for me I have got to be a ruthless hard ass to make money here. Everyone wants to be your friend and you will end up with lots of friends and go out of business making them happy. O I have a lot of people I know, I am friendly with them but in business they better bring their game face as I will make them a good deal, honor the deal but I am not there to make friends. I am there to make money. Fi doing tha talso makes me friends then good I have friends.

I was asked when I moved a location and the people were all around there asking why and they will miss me and whatever. My simple answer to them was that I am in business to make money, no other reason. That location was not making money so I moved it. That is how you get respect, I heard them mumbling...That is how the gringo does business and so on. They were to the best of my knowledge not making money there and well just stuck around to have chats with people they knew I guess or to not seem to be failing by closing? the business had become a part of them. No business is ever a part of me. They make money or they lose money and I do not beat dead horses, I run with winners.

Sorry for this guy closing or not sorry if it is a good move for him? I hope he moves to another location taking what he learned and make the changes necessary and keeps on.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 06:10:

To him I leave this for myself to not be clearly understood. ;) Salute!

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
T Roosevelt

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Hola B says on Nov 6, 2009, 06:23:

Brians says on Nov 6, 2009, 06:04 (today): flag

Too many NMGs living in Colombia to cater to that crowd in my opinion. Catering to Colombians is the only answer.

ding, ding, ding! we have a winner!

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 06:34:

jaja obvio

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 07:18:

oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 07:26:

It is called "None of Your Frickin Business"

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 07:29:

oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 07:54:

JAJA you think I would open my business up for you clowns to take your jollies on? No way! I don't need any of you people on here. I am not looking for clients on here and I am not stupid so why? The last person I would trust with anything personal would be you jakkoff

OH and PS what you think of me is no important. Your just someone who USED to live in Colombia and for some reason could not hack it so you went to the states. So now you tell everyone how it is.........So who are you? A joke.

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La_Huella says on Nov 6, 2009, 07:58:

Speaking as a person very much in the trenches, sweating blood with everybody else here, I 100% disagree with you. If you have a good business idea here you WILL make money. This is as much or more of a meritocracy than the US, it's just a VERY competitive place. There's no room for wrong decisions and stupidity here.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 08:17:

one
look I don't have to hide, here my business www.tga.com.co
it must be a very interesting business when nobody knows nothingf about it.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 08:27:

la Huella can't find where you dissagree with me in that statement but maybe you just like doing that? JAJA

Makop considering you are "nobody" belive me it does not bother me in the slightest. When I need my cartridge changed on my printer I will call you up.... don't beleive it.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 08:51:

Makop do answer me one question though? you have a business in Colombia, you are in love with eveything Colombian and all that but why is it you do not live in Colombia then?

I get so so tired ofall the bullshit. If you love it and clearly you can live here WHY the fok don't you then?

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 08:58:

oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 09:01:

Oh well sorry then. That is just how good the info is on this site. Someone told me you were in Florida. JAJA sorry

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whitewidow says on Nov 6, 2009, 09:12:

OFYM is a daytrader with ties to NC in the states.

I'm no doper! I just play one on TV.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 09:58:

JAJA yep that is about half right. I am from Chicago. I got no ties to NC. But that was a nice try though.

your from Alaska and have ties in the male porn popsicle industry? Or at least that is what I heard??? lol

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 6, 2009, 10:17:

Over the years GIB has claimed to be a daytrader, owned several successful business, and even being a Colombian, but yet on his own website Culoamigos.com a few months ago he was crying the blues about being almost broke. Absolutely NO Credibility does that poster have here in PBH or anywhere for that matter. His posts amount to nothing but personal opinion, many times not based on reality nor facts. Claims of success? Very doubtful.

Spanish speaking as well? jajajajajja......the same.

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 6, 2009, 10:19:

So please consider the source when evaluating the value of his posts and comments on doing business in Colombia. =)

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 10:23:

Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 6, 2009, 10:29:

makopp, we are talking about the same poser. He does live in Bogota, for more than 5 years. Things are a secret because they dont exist, me thinks....An expert on everything in his own mind, but in reality knows very little other than his little bubble world in Bogota. . Keep that in mind when reading his comments.

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 10:32:

Rocco81 says on Nov 6, 2009, 10:42:

OFYM - Why are you always such a Negative Nelly? Try and relax a little.

MaBarker, do you like Anal?

Sic semper tyrannis

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Haddeman says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:12:

I think the biggest factor in this(unconfirmed) business failure would be the exhorbitant rents charged in the Lleras area.They are very speculative and any business has to sell a lot of booze or food to cover that.

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La_Huella says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:23:

OFM you said it's all about the clique here.... I couldn't disagree more with that.... you said that a good business idea was worthless without the right social status... I also couldn't disagree more with that... and I'm that person with their nose in the trenches you were talking about...

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:38:

Rubito, how DARE you contradict a Colombian Expert like that! have you no shame?! have you no decency!???

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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MaBarker says on Nov 6, 2009, 11:55:

Rocco, me gusta.

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La_Huella says on Nov 6, 2009, 12:42:

Cazzo in culo non fa figli!!

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Saltador says on Nov 6, 2009, 12:45:

Guys,
Ma Barker is obviously a dude, ok? Sheeesh.....tan obvio.
So Rocco, you need to specify pitching or catching.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 6, 2009, 12:48:

jajajja...Saltador i was thinking the same thing.......grossssss..jajajjaja

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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roccatanski says on Nov 6, 2009, 13:06:

Saltador -I think that was Rocco's point....

"A man is defined by his actions, not his memory" ( Kuato-- total recall)

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La_Huella says on Nov 6, 2009, 14:58:

Shave a dude and turn him around and he's a woman jajajajaj

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Miguel_Clavo says on Nov 6, 2009, 14:59:

or French!

RVW orderded me to remove my tagline congratulating the PBH Mods New Golden Boys. Lame.

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 15:04:

Rocco81 says on Nov 6, 2009, 15:34:

- Pedro, settle down boy...damn could you get more descriptive? A bed post, strap on's and what color where the bed sheets in your little dream? Yikes.

I think I might have made a match with you and Heulla though, so something good came of this post.

- For the record guys, I myself prefer the company of women.

- at Saltador / Miguel....you're catching on !

Sic semper tyrannis

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C5vzla (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 16:37:

Byron_Kostner says on Nov 6, 2009, 16:59:

"But Colombians have such low frickin self esteem that you can not even hint at criticism without them blowing it all up as an attack on them and they go for your throat. It gets fokin old."

How true. It drives me nuts!

The only thing worse than a gringo invasion in Medellin, is the cheap NMG, which defiines about 98% of gringos in town. I wish all the cheapskate gringos would all go back to the states.

"I would suspect lots of theses businesses are into the money laundering business, rents and affluance are not really important for them,"

Not just businessess, but the whole damn city which was built by cocaine dollars.

Actions speak louder than words, but the self-righteous crusaders want to live by their own rules.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 6, 2009, 17:05:

La Huella I was thinking high end clubs and restaurants not peanut stands andempanada shops so sorry we dissagree then.

I am not in Colombia now? JAJA Oh wait!!! JAJAJAJAAJJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Ok man whatever you want to make up about is fine. I got to go out now and have some fun! This is fun but only so much stupid fun I can stand in one day. So /

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Byron_Kostner says on Nov 6, 2009, 17:34:

"There's no room for wrong decisions and stupidity here"

For gringos, but for Colombians it seems to be their M.O. yet somehow it works out for many of them. Or does money laundering cocaine profits have anything to do with it?

Actions speak louder than words, but the self-righteous crusaders want to live by their own rules.

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MaBarker says on Nov 6, 2009, 17:42:

Mr. Saltador, when looking at my picture, why do you see a guy? I think you need a visit to your optometrist.

After you've had a couple of kids and are a little stretched out, men like the tightness of the back door.

After a few times, I have enjoyed it ever since.

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crboy167 says on Nov 6, 2009, 18:06:

Has anyone confirmed that it is closing?? I keep reading this post to find out and all I see is trash talk. Thanks for any real information. I was thinking about going there this weekend with the family but I dont know now.

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makopp5 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 6, 2009, 18:23:

crboy167 says on Nov 6, 2009, 18:47:

Thank you!

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Saltador says on Nov 6, 2009, 19:43:

My sincerest apologies Ma, obviously from your soft and tender writing style you are a woman.

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MaBarker says on Nov 6, 2009, 20:41:

Apologies accepted, Mr Saltador, I knew you were a gentleman.

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oneforyourmillion says on Nov 7, 2009, 05:50:

But is that you in the picture? No matter. I figured you for a guy as well. Sorry it is just that guys post womens pictures in their profile like trophies and well if that is you then I guess you are your own trophy.... ;)

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Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Nov 7, 2009, 09:52:

We should wait till the owner himself replies.. crikey we are a chismoso bunch.. lol

Ma, You are still a hottie.. and very eloquent as well.

"PAY ATTENTION! I wonder if that person knows that when we push the FUNNY button, its because we are reading something outrageous, trying to be cynical, derogatory, sarcastic and/or obnoxious!"

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sloopskipper says on Nov 7, 2009, 13:36:

MaBarker says on Nov 6, 2009, 17:42: flag

"Mr. Saltador, when looking at my picture, why do you see a guy? I think you need a visit to your optometrist."

Sure as Hell "nobody" would mistake you for your namesake, either!



Ma Barker in 1935 before she was gunned down by the FBI.

Seems that some people think "everybody's outa step but me".

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