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Are Ingrid Betancourt and the Three Americans Free
Is this true???????
By bickerss on Jul 2, 2008, 12:19 in Friendly Talkzone.
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Colombiareports.com says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:21: Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos says so.
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PALEOLITICO says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:22: SI ES VERDAD!!!! El Ministro de la Defensa lo acaba de confirmar!!! www.paleolitico.net 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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TobyBoy says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:23: YES YES YES its true!
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PALEOLITICO says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:25: Que VIVA ALVARO URIBE Y EL EJERCITO COLOMBIANO !!! www.paleolitico.net 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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viajero123 (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:25: yes, true, 15 altogether. They were rescued by the Colombian Army.
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ColombiaBoard says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:26: This is also a huge blow to Chavez and the french government
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:30: "This is also a huge blow to Chavez and the french government" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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bickerss says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:30: The FARC must be on its last legs to allow hostages of that nature to be rescued. That takes some serious infiltrationwhere I am assuming very high level people (from the FARC side) would have to be involved and have given information etc? Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:32: It’s incredible, everything buggy and romy have written about Uribe has been proven to be wrong. The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombiaBoard says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:32: The minister of defense said that the army intelligence managed to infiltrate FARC on a high level and made them believe that they should gather that group of very important hostages at a specific location, when that happened the army was ready to intercept them and they did. Amazing.
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tejasmarcos says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:34: bickerss - i'd say technology had a hand in it as well. those wonderful multimillion dollar defense satellites sure are AWESOME! trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:34: Is it not worrying to Uribistas that again Santos outshone him?
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:35: Poor Peidad who wanted Ingrid to remain in the hands of the Farc, she must be really pissed off right now The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:36: I am having a hard time reaching any Colombian websites. The traffic must be incredible. This is definitely the story of the decade. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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aztec says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:37: It is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:39: THIS IS JOYOUS NEWS INDEED!!! A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:40: Didn’t Piedad say only Chavez could free Ingrid??? The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:42: LilaM- what have I written that is wrong?
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:43: GREAT NEWS! Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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aztec says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:44: romy can't you express just a little joy. If not why don't you go home for today and leave the happy people alone.
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:46: "romy can't you express just a little joy" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:51: romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:34: flag "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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PALEOLITICO says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:51: La mayoria de ellos llevaban 10 años secuestrados! www.paleolitico.net 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:52: Buggy, What the hell did you ever do for their freedom? Your nonsense is played out. Take it somewhere else. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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sanandressi says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:54: Good news indeed and just BTW the so called SURGE in Iraq seems to be working. Military might can have results at times.
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:55: romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:31: edit flag
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PALEOLITICO says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:56: QUE VIVA EL EJERCITO COLOMBIANO Y NUESTRO PRESIDENTE ALVARO URIBE VELEZ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! www.paleolitico.net 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 12:57: I believe buggy has made several pro-Ingrid posts on this board... the distortion of information is lived on PBH
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:00: "without people like me Ingrid would be dead since long time " I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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mariacvetanoski says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:00: Happy 4th of July Ingrid and family and PBH fans- this is truly a day of independence !! Save the street children of Colombia Now!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:01: Time for the FARC to lick its wounds. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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droble77 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:01: What an AMAZING year for Colombia-related news, and we're just halfway thru '08!!
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:02: Buggy always said Uribe did not want Ingrid free! The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:03: CG- While it's 99.9% possible that Ingrid is now free... I have yet to see the pictures. You nor I, nor anybody on this board has access to what this operation was actually all about. Insulting someone just because of what santos said and what you presume is a little weak in character, and I had thought better of you...
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:03: Buggy "two FARC chiefs who surrendered" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:05: Quit trying to change the subject. That is another issue, albeit a valid one. In this case, we are talking about your insistence on "humanitarian exchanges" and negotiating with the farc criminals. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:06: jajaj, what is my old friend buggy up to? I can't see his comments, but I can guess it is not a happy day for the little camper ;) "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:08: Romy, I respect you and consider your comments because despite occasionally differing opinions, you seem to be reasonable person. On the other hand, Buggy never admits when someone else has a valid point and does anything he can to avoid a direct question. He doesn't participate in reasonable debate, but instead just loves to start shit with inflammatory comments. I am not insulting him, but calling him on his nonsensical claims. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:10: Que viva Uribe y su ejercito Colombiano
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:10: "99.9%??????????? Your still holding out for it not to be true arent you?????" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:11: I wonder what Chavez and piedad are thinking? uhmm
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:12: Funny to see today romy and buggy telling each others "you are right my friend", "yes you are right" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:13: I realize that some will scream propaganda, but this is some of the only detail available. It is primarily the statement that Santos made. It is your decision to read it or not. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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aztec says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:13: Was able to open El Tiempo! This is all that is on the site!
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:14: Kat1....haven't they been very active un trying to get the hostages free? Wasn't it those two who have already brought two groups of hostages out from the jungle without risking anybody's lives? A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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getting better says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:15: I am very pleased at this news. I do not claim to be an expert like you guys but it strikes me that FARC have overplayed their hand. They could have got a got a swop if they dropped the demand for a demilitarised area. The more of their people give up and the less high value hostages they hold then the weaker their position.
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:15: Ha Ha Aztec. Looks like we both finally got through at the same time. El Tiempo had to take down all content but this text in order to alleviate the major traffic jam they had going. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:15: I wonder what that bitch pulecio has to say about uribe now? She was dead set against an army rescue attempt. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:17: Desi i don't think this was much of a negotiation, i do think Chavez and Piedad had an agreement with the Farc and they told them to hold on of Ingrid and the others.
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juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:17: I sincerely thank those responsible and am very happy for the families, but this isn't going to turn me into an Uribe voter or anything.
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:18: "Desi i don't think this was much of a negotiation, i do think Chavez and Piedad had an agreement with the Farc and they told them to hold on of Ingrid and the others. The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:25: Thank you Sr. Santos The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:26: "I'm sure both Chavez and Piedad Córdoba will soon issue a statement of congratulations and express their happiness for this new." "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:27: Colombia is lucky to have the best President in the world... The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:34: so now Santos is banking on reciprocity from FARC? WHAT??
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:36: Damn romy, at least pretend you are happy about the hostages being rescued. You can go home and cry into your milk later. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:36: Romy, Where did you see that they had a chance to rescue more people? I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:36: Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere... here's the statement from the Army's website: I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:37: video posted by aztec.... I'm very happy for Ingrid and her family along with the other hostages released still like I posted on my first reaction
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NataliaV says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:38: Any links to pictures yet? I can't seem to find any.
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rhydewithdis (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:38: Awesome - huge blow to the FARC and what great news for the captives families. They said I couldn't play football I was too small / They say I couldn't play basketball I wasn't tall / They say I couldn't play baseball at all / And now everyday of my life I ball. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:39: Romy, I saw the video as well. Where you referring to the part where he mentioned three groups? I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:43: "U.S. intelligence agencies, including the CIA and National Security Agency, played a role in locating the hostages." Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:43: romy: What tells you that there was a chance of freeing, say, between 50 and 700 hostages in this operation, depending on how you count?
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:48: Funny how romy can only criticize the Colombian government for this successful operation… The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:50: they picked who they wanted on that helicopter... it's no coincidence who came out from this operation. Not to mention the whole Cesar stuff, obviously they bought him out.
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:53: Where did you see that they picked out the ones they wanted? Maybe I missed it. Do you have a direct quote or source? I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:55: romy, why did the Farc offer to release a hostage (Emmanuel) that was not in their custody? The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 2, 2008, 13:59: Yes, there are some inconsistencies in Santos´report. I believe this aliasCesar and the othe FARCeno were bought off too. But it doesn't really matter; the main thing is that these people are free now and there were no casualties. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:00: who (what name?) do you recognize that is still being held by FARC? it's obviously an implication, but given the turn of events... If you believe word for word what the military is saying, these guys are geniuses... how has it ever taken them until this moment in time to have these high-profile hostages released?
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sanandressi says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:01: PASTRANA does have something to do with this. His kissing Tirofijo and then Pastrana's being dissed by the FARC showed Colombians that the FARC did not want a negotiated settlement so hence, tougher guy Uribe was elected. If you remember, just before he left office, Pastrana sent the military after the FARC saying "I will not let the new president in a weak position." This is why I mention Pastrana. Kind of sort of how a weak Jimmy Carter led to a Ronald Reagan. Also, Ingirrd was going out into the countryside to kiss up to the FARC when she was kidnapped. The gringos got shot down.
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:01: ColombianoGringo says, "Santos specifically mentioned that they had infiltrated this farc section and the upper levels as well. This clearly could not have happened without inside help." Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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sanandressi says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:03: Not Cano but Cesar....did he give them up and will he be pardoned or something?
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micoface says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:04: This is truly a blessed day. TH 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:05:
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:09: Cesar will soon be alias Jorge, though where he will be people might call him George...
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:10: I am sure money changed hands, but what does that have to do with anything? Better that they bought them off, or tricked them, than gone in guns blasing and have the FARC massacre the hostages, like they did with the concejales de Cali. Of course i can't help to think that a couple on here would not prefered that outcome so they could critizes Uribe without looking like complete fools. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:12: "Of course i can't help to think that a couple on here would not prefered that outcome so they could critizes Uribe without looking like complete fools" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:12: There are certainly details that may be either inconsistent, incomplete or, if you want to go that far, false. I haven't been too careful about that right now, admittedly, as there will be plenty of time to nitpick later.
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CanadaMan says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:16: Great news for Colombia and for President Uribe.. Formerly WidowerfromCanada...I am now married to my wonderful Peruana wife. Thanks PBH for all your advice and help over the years.. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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John Milton says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:19: Sanandressi- The cause of the gringos' plane crash was due to engine stress. Yes there was bullet holes in the craft but many of which were put there by the FARC after the crash. Only a few bullets hit the plane while it was still in the air and coming down for the emergency landing. The FARC shot at the plan as it was crashing and then shot it up some more upon their arrival to the scene. Of course this just trivial point now since finally Mark, Tom, and Keith are coming home. This is a great day, one I have waited for so long to come.
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:19: More video coverage(in Spanish) I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:20: romy, SHUT UP! Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:25: juance- how did they 'justify' the transfer of these 15 hostages? beyond that question that has no real answer because, who did they 'trick'? so assuming what they say is true word by word, is it not conceivable to have a second helicopter?
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:26: romy, Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tejasmarcos says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:34: the truth will come out on OPRAH soon enough ;) trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:35: romy: " how did they 'justify' the transfer of these 15 hostages? beyond that question that has no real answer because, who did they 'trick'? so assuming what they say is true word by word, is it not conceivable to have a second helicopter?"
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:37: MT- remember that thread on people changing personalities when using different languages?? you seem to do so when crossing borders...
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:42: romy, Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:43: " but how can I celebrate a short-sighted victory?" "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:44: Although Luis Eladio Pérez was vehemently opposed to a rescue, he has the decency to recognize and applaud the president and the armed forces for their successful efforts. He doesn't betray his principles, but shows some real character by rising above petty politics on this happy occasion. Many could learn from his example. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:46: Juance- of course and it's all things I've considered... again I apologize to a poster like you that remains reasonable in such times of information bombardment.
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:52: Romy, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that we may never hear the full story. Most of us understand that we are not being given the full details. The whole thing was an intelligence operation based on subterfuge. It is silly to believe that this would have been possible without inside help from farc members. The government admitted that they had infiltrated the farc and it is public knowledge that they are offering rewards to cooperating guerrillas. The fact remains that these people are free and the farc just lost their most important bargaining chips and it can't but weaken their position. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:53: romy, Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:55: So romy, what is your whole point? That the rescue didn't happen? That is is bad thing that it happened? Your nitpicking is only making you look very small. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:55: A payoff makes sense to me. The details provided so far, don't -- esp. when they include everyone boarding two army helicopters like lambs without a shot being fired. Hello? Who else flies helicopters like this in the Colombian jungle? Or maybe the military markings were covered up with Barney the Purple Dinosaur paint and the FARC really was duped? I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 14:56: Yep, romy sure showed his true face today The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:02: romy: I am certainly not taking everything as an absolute and unquestionable truth, and I commend you for taking that stance as well, regardless of any specific details we may disagree about.
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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:33: Ecuador's government showing its true colors right now.
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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:35: For those who don't speak Spanish, the key point of the above is that Ecuador's Defense Minister is relieved to hear about the freeing of the hostage but sad it happened through a military rescue instead of a "peace process".
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:36: "Worst case scenario, the current description may be either partially or completely false, but we do not know to what extent" . "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:40: Well for sure, Uribe freeing the hostages without any loss of life is the worse case scenario for the PBH lefties (can't name them or this thread will be blocked), but they know who they are.. The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:45: "She said this was the perfect operation...one of the best in history" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:45: Talk about the story. Stop bashing other posters. I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:47: Live from Tolemaida. Ingrid is speaking. She has had nothing but good things to say about the military and the president. She told about how upset they were when being loaded into the helicopter, thinking that it was some farc "circus". Once they were in the air, there was a commotion and she saw Cesar (Their "cruel, despotic captor) on the floor blindfolded and naked. Then the helicopter crew announced that they were military and that they were now free. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:48: Who needs specifics, I'm already busy writing a screenplay, not necessarily the way it actually happened, but how I imagined it would have gone down with happy ending and all.' Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:50: Ha Ha. MT. Santos did say that this was like something out of a movie. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:51: Once was fair. You don't need to do it in all of these rescue-related threads. I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:51: "floor blindfolded and naked" "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:52: Yep. Payback is a real bitch. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 15:57: She is saying that although the families were against a rescue, the hostages themselves were hoping for a military rescue. She is now thanking Uribe for making the decision to go ahead with the rescue. So much for those who assumed that she would speak badly about Uribe. She even told her mother to call Uribe and thank him for the rescue despite her mother's feelings towards Uribe. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:04: Say what you will about Ingrid Betancour, from watching the video, she is one strong Colombian woman. Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Cerealkiller says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:08: I'm very happy for all the families and those who were rescued, there are very little things that can compare to that kind of joy. In regards to the politics involved, I stand still. This was a very positive outcome but that does not change *my* view on Uribe. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Mr. Hollywood says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:14: I'm very moved by Ingrid's dignity and class.
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:15: Mr. Hollywood says, "I'm very moved by Ingrid's dignity and class." Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Cerealkiller says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:21: Oh dear, who let the dogs out? Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:25: She really is being very classy. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Lcacique says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:27: Funny that many people here who have condemned Ingrid as a commie are all too happy to accept the positive things she has to say about Uribe and the military (I thought you couldn't trust lefties???). I'm definitely not an Uribista (I'm not an ista for anyone), but I am absolutely willing to applaud Uribe and the Colombian military's efforts to bring back the victims without having to fire a shot (which was everyone's concern about a militaristic approach...which, in my opinion, is a worthy concern). Uribe, the military and all of those involved deserve a tremendous amount of praise for pulling this off. "Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Cerealkiller says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:29: Huskie, you could learn a thing or two from Ingrid's decorum and class. Enjoy the broadcast. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:36: but will she express support for the SECOND RE-ELECTION? nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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McGringo says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:39: Great news! I am very happy for them. I hope they will regain their health.
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goin_south says on Jul 2, 2008, 16:49: jejejejejjjjjeee! sik 'em, huskie!! nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:03: Here is Ingrid's speech dubbed into English. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:04: billyb: I was speaking about the "worst case scenario" in terms of the accuracy of the news.
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:06: Caracol has an archive of the videos in Spanish. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:07: Yes, Ingrid was very classy and while it was clear she's not a rabid Uribe opponent, she did make it known that she has disagreements with him, which she didn't elaborate on, even if she recognizes some value in his reelection and the resulting pressure on FARC.
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:09: OK OK OK good for Ingrid SHE'S FREE!!, I felt for her as she gave her heartfelt speech. And yes it was the government that got her out (regardless of the politics involved that we can later discuss)... but WHY DELAY THE GAME? what am I supposed to do for 40 minutes?
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:10: Just to clarify, she did not say anything specific about a second reelection. She stated that she thought that the first reelection was good for Colombia. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:17: She mentioned she approved of Uribe's re-election, and made great point as to why it brought change to FARC's stragedy of waiting for a change in office, because historically, they could always find someone in office who would be more sympathetic to the FARC than someone who was not. Uribe's re-election changed all that, probably one of the single most important factors in destroying the FARC. Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:22: I wish this had happened when I was in Colombia recently. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:30: Juance, I still don't see a worse case scenario as far as the news is concerned. What, that it turns out they were bought instead of tricked? Where is the downside to that? If that were the case, the downside would be for the FARC, because it would show how demoralized and bereft of dignity they have become. There is no downside to Colombia, no matter what details come out. BTW, I have never been a big fan of Ingrid's, specially her judgement, but there is no doubting her courage and dignity. Her mother should learn from her. Alsoglad to see that Ingrid looked a lot healthier today than she did on that POL video. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:32: billyb- do you condone buying off criminals? paying ransom money? etc.
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:36: Yes i do, specially if it means freeing people that were chained to trees in the jungle by the neck for years and helpng bring an end to the war. Why? Would you prefer that the hostages continue suffering? "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:41: it's just not conductive to civil society is the major problem I see with it. At what point do you stop paying these guys off? pardoning their crimes?
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aztec says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:46: buggy I have basically ignored your rants before now. However, you have become a nuisance and I would like to know more about you. For example, please share with us your credentials especially your expertise in international affairs. Are you a graduate from any recognized school of political expertise?
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:46: Buying off traitors amongst your enemies is as old as war itself, And it won't end until war itself ends. Just so i get it straight, you are against the rescue if some people were paid off and would rather see the hostages continue suffering rather than see that happen? Am I understanding you correctly? "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 2, 2008, 17:55: Also Romy, I assume you are for a negotiated peace, are you not? I hope you realize that if that were to happen a lot more murderers and criminals in the FARC will get amnesty for their crimes as part of a peace agreement, how do you reconsile that with your sentiments against impunity? You would have to be against a negotiated peace if you were to hold true to your principles. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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eywed says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:08: John Mccain was in Colombia yesterday not by chance, but to approve this opperation on behalf of the United States Govt. . Free trade agrement or free hostages. Ay Hombe!!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:17: Ambassador Brownfield and the Colombian government both publically stated that McCain was not informed of the operation.Still, it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to take credit for it in some twisted way. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:19: eywed says, "John Mccain was in Colombia yesterday not by chance, but to approve this opperation on behalf of the United States Govt. . Free trade agrement or free hostages." Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:20: Karina admits to helping Colombian militiary locate the wearabouts of the hostages. Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:28: Well. It didn't take long for Methuselah to get a little publicity out of it. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Medellin Traveler says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:40: Colombia's Stunning Hostage Rescue Discover Medellin, Antioquia - Colombia www.medellintraveler.com 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:52: Wow! Meaow....been busy putting out fires in my neck of the woods and thought I'd check into PBH after reading the good news! Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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eywed says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:55: This is indeed a great day, but above all else I admire each and every hostage for staying alive and staying sane for the time they were held. Bravo Hostages you all are now ex-hostages. Bravo!!!!!!!! Ay Hombe!!!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Jul 2, 2008, 18:57: Yes Eywed! I read that some hostages were the longest held in history! Wow! I am sooo happy for them ;)) Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 19:16: That BS was reported by Caracol, although other sources are reporting otherwise. If you had bothered to read my next post before talking shit, you'd have noticed that I posted this Miami Herald article that states that McCain was informed directly by Uribe. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 19:19: McCain was probably told that a rescue was going to take place, as a response to a request for information on the 3 Americans and blah blah blah, but it's not like he was told how it was going to happen or any secret details. So what difference does it make?
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 19:21: I never said he did something evil. Any politician would have done the same. It was simply an observation. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Lcacique says on Jul 2, 2008, 19:21: CG: the current vice-pres of Colombia was also a hostage. Also, I think you've misread some of the statements or maybe the newsfeed you received was twisted. The soldier statement was more of a nod to the solidarity she feels/felt with not only her fellow hostages but also those who rescued them from the FARC. And I haven't heard her mention anything about running for office. "Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 19:27: I'm, not sure in what context you're referring to VP Santos. He was kidnapped by Escobar, not the farc. Canciller Araujo was the one recently escaped the farc. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 19:28: Oh. Sorry Lcacique, I see there are two CGs in here now. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Jul 2, 2008, 19:50: Lcac: I am assuming you meant me? Actually I am glad you made that comment because what I read was very short and to the point and after all it IS MEDIA ;)) So that's why I came here to PBH ;) Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Jul 2, 2008, 20:00: FYI - Here are peices of what I read from a very scant article Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Jul 2, 2008, 20:01: Again, she needs lots of TLC ;)) along with all the other skillfully rescued hostages. We will probably hear stories later - maybe not all. Maybe a book or two will be written. Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Lcacique says on Jul 2, 2008, 20:32: My bad CatGirl. I'm totally off I guess...the sources I have read and heard did not mention her desire to serve someday. More importantly, I in now way was coming down on you (but I trust you know me by now). If you haven't read her book, it is worth checking out. I agree that she needs tons of TLC as do the rest of the hostages. "Es fácil vivir con los ojos cerrados interpretando todo lo que se ve mal..." ~ J. Lennon 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 2, 2008, 20:33: No problem. First, it was confusing, then just funny. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Jul 2, 2008, 20:43: Lcac: "I in now way was coming down on you (but I trust you know me by now)" Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 3, 2008, 00:03: just fyi romy and buggy arent the only anti uribe or pro guerrilla individuals in pbh.
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MitchAlvarez says on Jul 3, 2008, 00:03: Un Gran Dia para nuestro pueblo.
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 04:26: “Romy buggy time to crawl back to your communist hole....Betancourt just explained the military operation.....stop finding fault with something� The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kalder says on Jul 3, 2008, 04:33: They're celebrating at the Seven Sisters Colombian Market as I write. According to my wife, who's just called me from there. "A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 3, 2008, 05:29: WOW! you guys had a great party on here last night... "Commie" "Guerrilla" "Leftie" blah blah blah you don't have to remind me who the ignorant fools on this board are.
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aztec says on Jul 3, 2008, 05:58: Canales de TV colombiana gratis (Live Carocol)
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aztec says on Jul 3, 2008, 06:01: MitchAlvarez says on Jul 3, 2008, 00:03: flag
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 06:05: Or it could be that they lack the courage to show their true colors, at least romy and the bugster are upfront on where they stand. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 06:17: I think you made that quite clear yesterday. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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gato-bandido says on Jul 3, 2008, 06:39: juancegomez says on Jul 2, 2008, 19:19:
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 06:45: Since my courage and integrity has been questioned here (by billyb), let me write again what I wrote at the beginning of this thread. What a short memory people have! A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 06:51: " (Including Chavez, Piedad, Sarkozy etc.)' "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 3, 2008, 06:57: "I think you made that quite clear yesterday."
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:00: Reread your posts from yesterday and if you still don't know where you stand, let me know and I will help you out. You sounded like a child who's favorite toy had just been taken away. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:01: I am not going to get into this battle of malice and bad intentions, calling people who have done NOTHING BUT SUPPORTED the struggle for getting hostages free at different fronts, different ways, to call them FARC supporters, commies, whatever. This campaign of slander and libel is UNWORTHY of this glorious day and moment. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:02: Hey I celebrated deep into the night, reread the posts and you will see who wasn't so happy. Nothing libelous here, peole's posts speak for themselves. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:03: "Reread your posts from yesterday and if you still don't know where you stand, let me know and I will help you out. You sounded like a child who's favorite toy had just been taken away."
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aztec says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:08: "I was wondering what the billyb "quite clear" perception was?" romy
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:12: True Aztec, romy I am already on shaky ground with your sidecar for "libelous" statements, so I will just say that your posts speak for themselves. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:13: Yes, billy, you and some other people here instead of expressing your joy at the turn of the events turned this exchange into accusations and slanderous remarks on people who are NOT Uribe supporters. It's unworthy of you. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:17: I don't have a problem with anybody being anti-uribe, it's who they are pro that i have a problem with. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:23: Yes, over time, the collected comments of a poster should give you *some* insight into where they stand on an issue. Why re-hash the plainly obvious? Even if some of the posters mentioned above like to argue endlessly and post provocative stuff they don't believe, we don't need to bring it all up again. People who read the site with some regularity are already familiar with it. I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:26: if you have a valid argument I'm sure it'll go down well with the PBH rules... however resorting to insult and false accusation is all you've ever done.
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 07:47: Desi said: “Yes, billy, you and some other people here instead of expressing your joy at the turn of the events turned this exchange into accusations and slanderous remarks on people who are NOT Uribe supporters. It's unworthy of you." The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:08: I think Moderators should adopt a neutral role, and not only support posters who share the same political views… The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:09: Romy, like tinto aluded to, you have a body of work people can refer to here, it doesn't need to be spelled out, everybody will make their own opinions about your coments. If you are proud of them, then you need not worry about it. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:25: That's a lot of bull, tasco66. The proof of my neutrality is that you are still here. I support everybody who can debate their issues in a civil manner, without recurring to mud-casting, name-calling and ridiculing of other posters who do not share their views. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:35: I let their own words speak for them, for example: "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:43: Somewhere down the line both parties won Goverment and Farc, wheter only a handfull of the lattest got some benefits. IMHO it was more negotiate than anything else, who would put all his golden eggs in just one nest? just thing about it. No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:47: Desi "I support everybody who can debate their issues in a civil manner, without recurring to mud-casting, name-calling and ridiculing of other posters who do not share their views." The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 3, 2008, 08:52: buggy has been very quiet lately just like Pieda Cordoba jejejje
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 09:30: Tasco, if you scroll up this page you will see yourself who started personal attacks. YOU had posted twice already, with ad hominem attacks before romy or buggy had said anything AT ALL. Lila agreed and huskie joined the chorus waving a humongous US flag (for whatevere reason it might have been). Esanch, aztec,CG agreed with the difamatory content of tascos's posts and billyb joined the hecklers. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 09:52: We are waiting ;)) "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 09:54: "This is also a huge blow to Chavez and the french government" A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 09:57: And everybody in prison denies they ever commited a crime, they should be believed also? Like I say, their words speak for themselves. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:04: That's not the impression I get, billyb. What I read is two left-leaning members, debating and commenting political issues. Neither one of them is fond of Uribe (they are not the only ones) but neither one supports the guerrilla. Buggy rises to baiting and being provoked can be quite offensive, romy doesn't. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:07: Huskie, tomorrow will be a good day for your flag-waving:. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:09: But I see you have no problem with this?: "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:10: Like i said desi, our words speak for us and you might see it your way and other readers might see them another way, or is that not allowed? "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Albatross says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:12: Great... the Statue of Liberty with a smiley face. “Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:17: Billy, flag it so I can find it. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:18: Yeah, huskie, isn't that what "surveillance flight" is all about? A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:19: See desi, I didn't even post on that thread, he was insulting somebody else, see when you let your prejudices make you jump to the wrong assumption, jajaja. I'll flag it for you. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Albatross says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:20: Oh, so I suppose Frances Gary Powers was a 'Spy"... OK, maybe a little. “Democracy - a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:30: Huskie, I'm extremely happy the gringos are back home and free. Nobody deserves that kind of fate. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:37: sounds like libel to me ;) "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:42: BilyB you got the Pablo Escobar mentality, if you are not with me you are against me, in other words if you don´t like Uribe then you are guerrillero. It is time for you to wake up and smell the coffee, not everything that shines is gold. No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:43: They were shot down spying;). not libel. Fact A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:52: calling them spies, Huskie, but i was only messing, she can call them what she likes. No Web, it's more like "if you are against colombia, you are against me". While i think Uribe is the best president Colombia has had in my memory, being against him is no skin off my nose, but he serves as a handy fig leaf for some whose motives go beyond just being anti-uribe. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 3, 2008, 10:56: Huskie, Why are you so pro US lately? I thought your "adopted country" was Albania. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:08: Billy, do you really think that I'm anti-Colombian? That I don't have Colombia's best interest in mind? A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:13: Actually desi, i wasn't thinking of you when I wrote that. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:17: "This is also a huge blow to Chavez and the french government" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:30: OH? "a huge blow to Chavez...and to buggy.... A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:36: "You have been called Uribista? And you consider that an insult?" The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:38: You edited yours, Tasco. "Paraco" wasn't there when I first read it. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:42: Desi, are you saying you never read a post by buggy or Cassini calling me a paraco? The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:45: No, that's not what I'm saying. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:45: I am sure Buggy said with love. No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 3, 2008, 11:59: "stating the truth"... how was I proved wrong by yesterday's events? nobody really answered that question... when did I call Tasco or anybody on this forum a paraco?... imaginary worlds that we all live in, just some people's are far more false than others.
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Plato says on Jul 3, 2008, 12:11: *Sigh* Otro peo en PBH. . . The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Plato says on Jul 3, 2008, 12:11: Duplicate The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Jul 3, 2008, 12:14: Triplicate No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 12:42: "Please explain to me, in great detail, why this opinion was removed from PBH. I have read much worse in ref. to Bush, McCain and Uribe and were never delited. Please explain how this does not favor one side." The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Jul 3, 2008, 12:42: I don´t know about the opinion but the pic was taken down by the pic hosting company, not by PBH. No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 13:02: Doc, I have no idea. I just looked at it and have no idea what happened. Contact Peter if you feel that there has been an error of judgement. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 13:43: Romy, you posted this yesterday: "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 13:51: "Romy, you posted this yesterday: The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tasco66 says on Jul 3, 2008, 14:12: Desi said: The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Jul 3, 2008, 14:17: spies maybe not, mercenaries goes closer to the true, but let´s just leave it as Contractors No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Jul 3, 2008, 22:08: Tomtom: These US citizens were contracted by the Colombian government to help enforce Colombian law. Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 3, 2008, 22:17: Their plane was shot down on a surveillance flight over FARC-controlled territory. allegedely mapping coca fileds. It's just a matter of interpretation. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Man Tequila says on Jul 3, 2008, 22:32: I was very pleased to learn of Ingrid's release. Though some here seem to hate her for her opportunism, I think she is naive and am glad she was freed. Kudos to Uribe and the army that was able to pull off the mission. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Jul 3, 2008, 22:41: Hola Man T ;) Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 3, 2008, 23:14: "Their plane was shot down on a surveillance flight over FARC-controlled territory. allegedely mapping coca fileds. It's just a matter of interpretation." "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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bickerss says on Jul 4, 2008, 04:13: Mapping coca fields = mercenary? Investment Strategy - buying when others are crying!! Offloading when others are gloating!!! 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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romy says on Jul 4, 2008, 08:44: Mercenary: is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and "is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party" (Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Convention of August 1949).....................Thus a Colombian soldier cannot be considered a mercenary, especially not a volunteer
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billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 15:59: Romy, i know you are trying to avoid again, but what we want to know is what you mean by the "essense" of the FARC. You are too unimformed to actually know anything about its workings. "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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billyb says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:05: ".........................Thus 'stealing' information from FARC is espionage; there's no need for them to be legitimate in any way' "All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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MaFe says on Jul 4, 2008, 16:10: BB....a man who speaks the truth and his mind...que bueno! "All human actions have one or more of these seven causes: chance, nature, compulsions, habit, reason, passion, desire. "-Aristotle 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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