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100% Colombian huh?

I would like to know what does it mean she or he is 100% Colombian and what does it mean she or he is more Colombian than the Colombians?

what requirement do you need to be 100% Colombian or more Colombian than the Colombians????? I ask this because i heard this silly comment not to say STUPID, all the time here in PBH...

Eso si Britanica no soy, pero para algunos porque no me gustan ciertas cosa de Colombia y nunca me gustaron ni cuando vivia alla eso ahora me hace menos Colombian?

Mi father is Costeño but hates Vallenato and salsa , doesn't know much about Cali or Pasto does it make him less Colombian?

By kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) on Nov 12, 2007, 13:56 in Friendly Talkzone.

kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:10:

I don't agree, My family and I are mestizos and we Haven't adopt any American or Mexican Culture. But now that Elmo lives in the USA and practically he grew up there, does it make him less Colombian than the Colombians?

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Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:17:

Elmo.. less Colombian? I don't think so...

One thing that came to mind was thinking that the Puerto Ricans in New York are not real Puerto Ricans... (well, there are more there than the island, it seems)

God Bless America!

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:18:

Do you own a least one pair of really tight white pants that you wear with long earrings and platform sandals?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:22:

jeje Colombiche I never wore white trousers because it made my bum looks big hehe but i did wore the earrings and the sandals :(((... geez maybe I am not Colombian afterall :o

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:25:

I've seen a few guys walking the street in tight white pants, long earrings and platform sandals.

Oh wait, that's the test for 100% marica. :o)

"this may seem a strange post but it is not...when in colombia men need to be aware that colombia women may try to be seductive and entice a travelling gringo to have sex with them..to be forewarned is to be forearmed..." -- pow wow

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:26:

Sorry kat, you are almost there but you need the super tight WHITE PANTS.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:33:

I knew it! Colombiche hehe

Morphus is base his opinion on Elmo's theory

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greg says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:33:

You were born in Colombia so you are 100% Colombian. No more or no less than any other Colombian. Doesn`t matter where you live now, how you dress or what music you listen to. Same for anyone born in any country. IMHO

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greg says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:36:

I think if you were born there you are just as Colombian as anyone else born there. Doesn`t matter if you wear tight pants, although i do like that part.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:37:

I agree greg and although you will have a bit of influence of the country you are living now this doesn't make you less Colombian.

what about kids who are born abroad and both parents are Colombian , will you consider then 100% Colombian?

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:41:

colombiche:
"Do you own a least one pair of really tight white pants that you wear with long earrings and platform sandals?"

I do jaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:44:

There you go, I always knew you deserved that vueltiao.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:44:

My parents are from Medellin but I was born and raised in New York. But I consider myself colombian as well. I dont have the Colombian citizenship or anything but Im actually considering the benefits of dual citizenship. If others know about this topic, please enlighten me.

thanks

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Simon says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:46:

A real Colombian is someone who doesn't go around making the country look bad in front of others!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:47:

Colombiche I wore white pants this summer, the short style ones that are in fashion, more like shorts really and actually they looked quite nice. You don't own any white pants?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:48:

Man i love colombianas lindas en sus blue jeanes blanquitos apretaditos. lol love them. :)

but anyways back to the topic........ simon love what you wrote man. good comment

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vicshere says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:49:

"A real Colombian is someone who doesn't go around making the country look bad in front of others!"
actually a 100% Colombian goes around the country bad mouthing everything and trying to get the hell out of here

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:50:

lol vicshere is looking for controversy and attention. lol

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vicshere says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:50:

hehehehehe dam i have been had

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:54:

"what about kids who are born abroad and both parents are Colombian , will you consider then 100% Colombian?"

That depends on their upbringing. I was born and reared in the US, but I grew up in a very Colombian home where we were not even allowed to speak English. We were brought up with Colombian traditions, food and music. Sadly, most Colombians and other Latinos don't bother to even teach their kids Spanish, let alone their traditions and culture. I think that is pathetic and those parents should be ashamed. Hell, even my kids speak and read Spanish and their mom is a Gringa.

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:58:

man i was forced into it anyways. if i spoke english in my house no one understood. mother, grandma, and aunts watched novelas all day. father and uncle listened to rcn radio todo el berraco dia. my neighbors were all friends of my mother from la floresta, belen, san javier, itagui.

i dont regret it. i love it actually. but its not like i really had a choice. :)

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Simon says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:59:

"Sadly, most Colombians and other Latinos don't bother to even teach their kids Spanish, let alone their traditions and culture."

That's so true! When I was in the US, I knew this "Colombian guy", born in the US named Javier who didn't speak any Spanish and the prick didn't even know what the Colombian flag looked like!

Eso es el colmo!!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:04:

Mitch and Simon, I agree when I have kids they'll only speak spanish at home if I can have my way, it's so sad to see colombian kids speak no spanish.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:09:

I know families like that. The sad part about it is that they think they are doing the child a good. They feel like they want their child to be very eloquent in english so they can be "succesfull". They fail to see the Globalization of economies and the fact that being bilingual in today's job market is a no longer a plus, its a necessity. Furthermore, I'm no rocket scientist but isnt easier for a child to learn several languages at the earlier stages of their lives rather then when they are 30 and trying to get a new job before they get laid off.

Ive had this arguement one to many times. Its really sad... and ignorant.

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:13:

The typical bullshit answer of the US born child of Latin immigrants when asked whether they speak Spanish...

"I don't speak it, but I understand it." Pathetic!

Mitch, I can't tell you how many Latin people I know in the US who can barely communicate with their Spanish speaking relatives. My parents both speak English and got college degrees in the US, but they still insisted on teaching us our language and heritage. The problem is that most parents let their kids do whatever the hell they want and give up on teaching them Spanish because the kids roll their eyes and whine about it.

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:20:

I have a couple of cousins exactly the same age as me. They were born and raised in Canada and don't speak a word of spanish. I find people like that PATHETIC. It's not really their fault, it is the fault of their "acomplejado" parents that thought their kids would be better off not speaking their mother tongue.

Luckily I was born and raised in Colombia so I learned spanish right out of the womb. It was rough picking up the english language, but l was young enough that I was able to learn it well enought to speak it almost like a native. It's a plus because right now any project that pops up in the latin american region is automatically mine. I honestly think I am having the best of both worlds.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:22:

Not to mention that there is a growing customer base of spanish speakers in Canada and the US. Speaking both languages allows you to tap into two markets.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:26:

So do you have any white jeans or not ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:27:

Kat who said you're not colombian?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:29:

I guess my wife counts as 100% Colombian by those standards because she has a pair of white pants that must have been bought in the kid's section.

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:30:

Yes I do, I have a pair of tight white pants....... (lowering my head).

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:31:

And dangly earrings too? con rrrazon te llamás tan descaradamente colombiche, no?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:31:

Mona, plenty of people around here accusing others of not being colombian enough. Ironically, they are usually american born and posting out of the US area.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:35:

come to think of it... my (almost ex)wife has probably a couple pair of white pants and like mentioned above, looks to be from the childrens section. not to mention all the dangly ear rings and huge loop ear rings and who knows what else.

God Bless America!

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billyb says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:38:

What are those big hoops for? Hooking their heels on?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:39:

Definitely 100% Colombiana

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:40:

Hoops and chandeliers. I am guilty on both counts your honor.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:40:

"If they are born in the U.S. it is more important that they speak English."

Strangely enough, the abilities to speak English and speak Spanish are not mutually exclusive.

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:41:

I rarely wear hoops, my husband hates them and I'm not that mad on them either, but I got a few like the ones posted jeje

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:42:

The last picture ColombianoGringo posted, I have those exact same chandeliers. Exactly.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:43:

OMG do you remember the pic I had posted on here before? I had super dangly earrings on in that pic!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:45:

My wife loves those dangly things. I asked her once if she wanted a pair of diamond stud earrings and she said "No. They are boring."

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:47:

Oh I would have taken them, I have a few of those already, never say no to a diamond nonono

Colombice I have ones like the middle pic jaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:47:

those look just like what the (ex)wife has.

God Bless America!

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Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:50:

my (ex)wife has some hoop ones like this:

God Bless America!

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:50:

I have a pair exactly like the ones in ColombianoGringo's first picture. And I'm wearing them today.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:51:

Ayyyy tinto, they must look divine on you darling!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:54:

Mona. She has really odd taste when it comes to jewelry. When I asked her what shape diamond she wanted for her engagement ring, she had no clue what shapes existed. So I showed her the DeBeers page and she chose heart shaped. Here is what her ring looks like, but with a larger diamond.

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:55:

Dan you were doing such a good job of adding ex to the wife in the previous comments, but in the last one you slipped up ;-) Just say my X jaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:56:

jeje.. working on it...

That heart shaped rock is nice!!

God Bless America!

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:58:

Well I wouldn't have chosen the heart shape, but a diamond is a diamond. White gold?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:59:

my guess is Platnum

God Bless America!

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LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 16:02:

* ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 16:06:

Honestly, I thought it was a little corny, but the whole concept of overpriced chips of carbon is pretty stupid to begin with. Luckily, I have lots of connections in the jewelry industry so I get wholesale prices. Even so, heart shaped diamonds are very difficult to find.

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 16:12:

I have a nice loose heart shaped emerald... like mona said... a diamond is a diamond. :-)

God Bless America!

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Lisa Zee says on Nov 12, 2007, 17:07:

Hey guys I must not be 100% Colombian, I have the white pants, the earrings, but not the" all Colombians zapatos de tacon ROJOS"
Ok now, what about if you son has an American father and Colombian mother, I spoke nothing but Spanish to my son and we went twice a year until he was 12? is he a gringo or Colombian?

Vive la vida y deja vivir!.

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strata2woman says on Nov 12, 2007, 17:35:

I only wear white pants for a velorio, I hate white pants. I can't wear hoops, chandeliers or any other type of earrings. My earlobes are pierced, 3/4" plugs or tunnels is what I can wear.
I only wear stilettos or flats, I dislike platforms. I enjoy a good vallenato as much as I enjoy Billie Holiday and the Blues, I can dance a killer mapale or do the swing, and I can do it without having to question my own colombianismo. I am me, A Colombia Woman, as different as el terreno de mi tierra.

"If neurotic is wanting two mutually exclusive things at one and the same time, then I'm neurotic as hell. I'll be flying back and forth between one mutually exclusive thing and another for the rest of my days." - Sylvia Plath

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NataliaV says on Nov 12, 2007, 18:09:

Lisa Zee - He is Colombian. I believe it is all in how your raised. I am like your son...colombian mother and american father. I grew up more around my colombian family with all the culture and traditions of a typical colombian family. my only thing is not being able to speak fluent spanish. I would never say my mother was a pathetic, or a crappy parent as was said in earlier posts. my mother was a wonderful parent, but my sister and i both refused to learn we when we were younger.
Even though I may not speak fluently, I feel I am no less colombian than someone who does.

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Lisa Zee says on Nov 12, 2007, 18:24:

Thanks Natalia, It has not been easy for me wanting to talk Spanish to my son, he used to tell me " speak English, we are in America". I spoke English with his father so he only got the Spanish from me and all the trips to Colombia. His English is very poor, and it makes me sad. He sometimes says he is Colombian to his friends.
I am VERY proud to be 100% Colombian!.

Vive la vida y deja vivir!.

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john_stark says on Nov 12, 2007, 19:07:

"Eso es el colmo!!"

That's the first time you've made me laugh, Simon, because that's a phrase my wife uses all the time.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 12, 2007, 23:23:

simon says "A real Colombian is someone who doesn't go around making the country look bad in front of others!"

IVichshere said "A real Colombian is someone who doesn't go around making the country look bad in front of others!"
actually a 100% Colombian goes around the country bad mouthing everything and trying to get the hell out of here

I totally agree, i don't know if simon and other talks to Colombians in Colombia. but hell many of them talk so negative about the country.

About a mother being pathetic, i don't agree!, my kids speak Spanish but my daughter didn't want to speak the language until she was about 9 or 10, she refused and being the only Latina around here was difficult, there were not other influence, like Grandmothers, or friends etc,thanks God i was able to take her to Colombia and she changed her mind.but some kids are not that fortunate.

don't call a mother pathetic until you have your OWN kids.

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:25:

Same as ColombianGringo, Mitch Alvarez, etc. Born in the USA to Colombian parents. Spanish was my first language; grew up with all Colombian traditions. Fluent in both languages - reading and writing although I write write English more often. I only started liking baseball and American Fooball later in life . Blah, blah , blah.

In fact, my family retains much of the values of the hardworking, honorable, "buen Colombiano" of the early 1960s; the second wave of mostly questionable Colombians that came in the 1980s. Sorry - but it's true.

In the end, the U.S.A. is number one for me, so I guess I'm not 100% Colombian, just a son of Colombian immigrants.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:29:

Elmo - you're an immigrant just like my parents. Please bro'. You could be injun all you want, but you're a fokin gringo! Then why live in the USA? Why work here, earn and live off your USA salary? Then run back to Colombia when your retire?

Why can't Mother Colombia support you financially? You see, my cousins in Medellin have been laid off at mid-career in Colombia because private sector companies don't want to pay penisons. Let's not get into economics and why Colombians go abroad for economic opportunity.

What goes for my Colombian family goes for you too and any other Colombians who left Colombia for economic opportunity. No me joda loco!

Why is it that all Colombians abroad say. " Colombia is nice to visit, but with money. I only would live there after I retire and have some US pension dollars and soicial security." Then Colombians go back and lord it over all other REAL colombians who actually live in there and put up with the fu#C%*ked up economics over there. Those are indeed the real Colombians! As far as I'm concerned, if you live outside of Colombia, you're not 100% Colombian! Period! You're host country is feeding you and sheltering you, etc. Most likely you wouldn't have the opportunities in Colombia as you do now in your host country.

Lastly, we have American Native injuns here too, or do you think you have a monopoly on the injun thing?

Enuf said.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:45:

Esta bien, Elmo. But you know what I'm getting at. Culturally, you - we are - Colombian. But politically and economically - We're AMERICAN Gringos.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:57:

We all live in nation states so we are whatever our birth certificates and passports say we are. Beyond that, someone can think and act in accord with whatever nation or culture is in their heart, mind and bones.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:57:

Look Elmo, I don't know about the Colombian chucha rant and I will not participate in that here. But I do know the following:

Carlos Vives sings "Todas las tierras son benditas."

And, where are you now? Here or in Colombia? Who pays your salary? Do you pay taxes? Will you retire with gringo dolares? Didn 't you say here that the USA treated you much better than the bullshit you went through in Colombia? Don't you always rant about how Cachacas look down on you in Colombia while the the US, being Indian and having the indian look is hot? God bless the USA and all other host countries Colombians have emmigrated to!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:06:

Elmo, all I can say is that you're a cosmopolitan. You're all over the place man.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:10:

A real Colombian? Born and raised in Colombia, also has to think like a Colombian, have Colombian sense of humor and mentality.

For me Kat is more Colombian than Elmo, probably because she was already grown up when she moved to the UK. The environment where kids grow up and go to school is of utmost importance in acquiring cultural identity.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:13:

Yeah, that's a good point. If our personality is pretty much fixed by our early 20s (it might be earlier, I don't know) then we're going to reflect wherever we lived the first 20 years of our lives.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:24:

plato your making some great points. i dont agree with you 100% but overall your at least articulate well.

elmodefoque i think put to much emphasis on his "chucha". sad because it make me tune out of his comments honestly. ive read some good stuff from him too.

overall i believe that wether your are born in colombia, from colombian parents, raised in colombia, or whatever it doesnt necessarily make you 100% colombian. There is no such thing man. In reality what we need is people who care about the Country. i really give a f^&% where they are from. Not just horny tourists trying to take advantage of poor good looking girls. We need people who care about economic growth and development. Investors trying to make money and aid the recovery process as well. Colombians who are honest and good people and show others what true colombians are made of.

So wether you are 100%, 50%, 10% i dont care. Just make sure you represent whatever you represent well. With dignity, honor, respect and class. IF your business man or a street vendor. If your a millionaire or on welfare. Just have the class, dignity, and grace that true colombians have.

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:25:

You're dismissing growing up with a family that still lives with the old traditions. Quite easily, I can give you the Amish in America as an example. Those people still live in the 19th century America.

There have been numerous examples here in the New York City. For example, there are Latinos that live here for 30 years and still don't speak the English languages because they live in the "Little (name the country)" enclaves. Just name a group . . . Dominicans, Colombians, Chinese, Mexicans, etc.

Culturally -yes - it is possible to learn and live one's culture as a subset of the general society in the host country.

Politically and economically - no.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:28:

Last week, I met a lovely couple from Wales. From far away - one can tell Kat1 is the real deal Colombian - beautiful and charming. But, she's a Brit as far as I'm concerned - in the political and economic sense. I'm sure I looked like a gringo to her.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:28:

A small clarification: The Amish are trying to live the life they had in 18th or 19th century Germany or Switzerland, not 19th century America.

;-)

P.S. And doing a hell of a lot better with their "hybrid" system than the drunken, unhealthy, unemployed and impoverished Indians/Native Americans on many reservations. There's a lesson to be learned...

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:29:

esanch36 good comment

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:31:

Thanks Tinto. A great example to support my position.

Real Americans are a mixed breed. But we're also defined by our geographical boundaries, politics, economics, and yes - American culture. Whether one wants to participate in American culture is another story. I find many Americans adopting other cultures. Colombian-Americans like mysefl don't have to do that - it's already ingrained in us.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:38:

Elmo, that sounds like a slogan for a street preacher. You ought to go outside and try it at lunch time.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:48:

Listen, let me clarify what I meant about in my "pathetic" comment before everybody gets their panties in a bunch.

I gave an example of my cousins. Both my uncle and his wife are 100% paisas, montaneros, come arepa who don't even speak proper English.

They came to Canada, had their kids and purposely spoke to them ONLY in broken English, didnt' allow them to hang out with latinos or speak spanish around the house. I am sorry but that is PATHETIC, RIDICULOUS, STUPID.

My comments wasn't geared at latino/gringo couples who actually teach their kids both cultures, but rather, at people like my aunt and my uncle, who grew up eating mazamorra, panela picada y gelatina crespa and decided upon their landing to teach their kids to eat pizza pops and hotdogs and live in some sort of cultural vacuum. They are spics, but they think they are white, they are racist..... don't recognize it is themselves they really hate. They wouldn't even let them hang out with me and my sister lest we teach them how to be colombian and ruin their canadianess.

My kids will speak spanish. I will make sure of that.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:06:

In my cousins' situation it was the parents discouraging the kids from learning anything remotely related to colombian culture. That is what ticks me off.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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gabolicious says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:13:

mmmm morphus that is so typical of "mexicans" living in the States...

Elección no canonización....

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nueva york bombero says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:14:

Bravo!!! I'm glad to know a real Modefoque like you!!
By the way, I'm 100% gringo from the gringo nation.
I love you crazy Colombians!

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:21:

I can see Elmo sitting on the sidewalk in Key West. He has a torn-off piece of cardboard that reads, "Silence for free chucha". But the gringos don't know what chucha means, and most Spanish speaking Latinas would think he is saying, "silence for free opposum." Now if the sign said: "chocha" .... there would be some reaction.

Sorry, that is my hijacking for the day.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:35:

There are two types of Colombians abroad the ones that move there went they were very young and the older ones, both have grew up culturally different, their views about Colombia are abit different from the views of a Colombia that came to live abroad later on. And then are the Colombians who are in Colombia, I can see how many although i won't say is bad, because it's good somehow try to hard to be like the people born and raised in Colombia, sometimes over-patriotims takes over.

esanch that happened to my daughter she refused and she used to get crossed and yell at me, she learnt it because everytime we went to Colombia and still do I refuse to talk in English to her so her dad, so she had to.

Now my kids are half Colombian but I will said they are more British than Colombian, eve though i try to show them lots ofthings about my culture their main influence is the British one.

Colombiche i do understand but think, those people came to the USA none of them spoke english, they might though that if they start speaking English soon enough even with the kids they will settle better and get good jobs, but as the kids grew up maybe they lost interested in learning the Language, i don't know. Look at esanch is one example. pathetic him! heheheh

I am Colombian and still feel Colombian but yes Britsh culture has rubbed on me but what i learnt and grew up with is still with me, so much that i am still have a bit of my costeno accent even thought i lived in Bogota for ages, and i think because my family are all in Colombia apart from one sister, this is still intact.

BTW I agree with Desi and thanks Plato ;)

and just because i haven't got injun face doesn't mean i am less Colombian, so many of you that haven't got american-indian face are less American?

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:58:

Morphus but you are American not matter what you look like you were born and raised there

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kalder says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:04:

Yes, but he has the 'Old World' refinement of the most polished of Parisian diplomats.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:05:

Kat, you are as Colombian as they come, who cares what some foreigner on here thinks about what is or what isn't Colombian?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:08:

ye could just like pocahontas, or any other amrican indian

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:19:

Thanks Billyb.

Elmo, what are you refering is about looks, and if we are going to talk about what a native Colombia should look like maybe you are right, i don't know, remember Colombia had lots of different tribes, with differents feautures. but take a very young injun girl all the way to the UK or USA and let her grow and raise there and the only Colombia thing she will have will be her features, because the rest she will be as American as the Americans.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:19:

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:33:

Billy why i put this post? is because there are certain members who just because you don't approve patronized or like everything in Colombia they think you are less Colombian, i believe they are the fake Colombians as they not see the reality of our Country, or because we dont "ni chicha ni limona" like serpa then we are not Colombian.

gezz sometimes i talk to some Colombians and they are so negative about the country and how bad it is and blah blah, and how much they want to live abroad as thinking it's better . they don't see colombia as many see it here, sometimes i thing Jesus! if you talk like that in PBH they will crucificed you, they will even say you are not Colombian. this hasn't been aim just at me but other members too.

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billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:44:

Kat, I know what you are saying, I have seen it on here, but my thing is, who cares what others think?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:55:

Elmo te estas saliendo de la tangente, we are not talking about that!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:04:

Kat do you remember my "Ni chicha ni limona" thread?
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/ni-chicha-ni-limon/

The "colombianess" is not in your looks, elmo. The wayuu are just one tribe, one more albeit colourful thread in the tapestry of the human populationof Colombia. The black fisherman from Tumaco,Nariño is just as authentically Colombian as your guajiro tribesman.

It does not really matter, just like billy said. I've met kat and I know sh'es true Colombian who has not forgotten one word of Spanish in all those years. It does not matter if you prefer chardonney to guarapo or chateaubriand to fritanga, listen to Iron Maiden or Diomedes; that's not what makes you or breaks you as a Colombian.

You're Colombian if you think of yourself as a Colombian, answer to all the cultural cues without thinking, can laugh at Colombian jokes without looking for the offense in them, see the good and the bad things in your country, if your heart bleeds for Colombia even if you're living in exile yourself (and especially then). It's not the exaggerated patriotism of some members who get their underwear in a knot every time somebgody critizes Colombia; but rather like something I read in tinto's Colombia site:

She asked me in a thoughtful way,
"What does it mean to be a Colombian?"
"I don't know," I replied.
"It’s an act of faith."
- Ulrike by Jorge Luis Borges

Cheers,
Desi

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:18:

¡Que mierda en ese thread!

Someone labels elmodofoque a gringo?
Nothing could be farther than the truth!
kat1 is "more Colombian than him"? Más mierda.
kat1 is a Brit to another poster?

I think you get my drift.

¡VIVA PBSH!

Hablo pura F.M.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:18:

I AGREE DESI! and i just looked at that thread it's very interesting, i missed maybe i was in eh Colombia

I was going to say "answer to all the cultural cues without GOOGLING" hehehe

Elmo we are not talking about 100% colombian in Looks.. you maybe be one of the finalist ehhehe

Miguel what next in pbh? Desi is a peruvian heheh

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:20:

Desi,

A brilliant post. I'll be toasting a scotch in your name soon enough. Just brilliant!

Gracias mi amor.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:20:

You're NOT the first person that comes in my mind when somebody says 100% Colombian... BUT, if you are the first person that comes in YOUR mind, does that make you 100% Colombian? Uribe is just as Colombian, no, he's MUCH MORE Colombian than you, never mind your pure, undiluted wayuu blood (right!) than you.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:21:

I was going to say "answer to all the cultural cues without GOOGLING"

Very true.

I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis.

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billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:27:

Desi, that quote from Borges you posted is so true.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:34:

Miguel, you don't need to be offended on Elmo's behalf. He's a big boy and can defend himself.
Elmo did not grow up in Colombia but moved to New York at an early age. The environment in which you grow up is extremely important for you cultural identity. I have never met Elmo and perhaps I'm wrong, but that's just the impression I get reading his posts; a marriage between Barranquilla and New York.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:37:

The "elitist little Colombian world" of Mr. Uribe is just as Colombian as your Wayuu village, Elmo. You're discriminating your own people on the grounds of their race and ethnicity

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:40:

Ya Elmo esta piedro con este tema .

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:41:

Desi wrote: " I have never met Elmo and perhaps I'm wrong,"

Yeah, you be wrong!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:43:

you all have beat this dead horse now just cook it down and you got soap.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:43:

Colombia only came into being in the early 19th century, so the peoples that were here before weren't Colombian, but whatever tribe they belonged to or Spanish, so injuns might be more native, but not more Colombian.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:44:

Desi, tranquila. Que se haya armado un peo aqui con este tema no importa – tienes la razón! Long live white colombian modefoques!!!!! I hate being discriminated against.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:44:

Ethnic groups:
mestizo 58%, white 20%, mulatto 14%, black 4%, mixed black-Amerindian 3%, Amerindian 1%
(CIA Factbook, Colombia)

See, Elmo? 1% Amerindian. (You)
20% white (Uribe)

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:46:

Eso! Dale bomba carajo!!!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:47:

elmo just think in one sector of Colombia, i am Colombian and grew up in Colombia and i try guarapo, chicha didn't like it heh, just as i don't like other things, in the Colombia i grew up we were not rich nor poor but working class. my upbringing was not like yours elmo but certanly not like Uribe either. And that my real Colombia differents to yours

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:51:

Yo tengo que hablar con elmo, necesito oir ese accento costeno, hehe

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Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:51:

¡me marcho! "Have a nice day"

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:53:

grosero me aguanto pero vulgar no..

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:53:

;

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:54:

Ah baloney... the so-called natives are interlopers, posers and carpet baggers, too. We all came from some place else. Maybe from Adam and Eve, maybe from the primordial sea, or maybe we're all descended from "Lucy" in Kenya.

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:56:

What was that medicine, morphus?
There's no redeeming value in being "white" or "pink" or anything. It's like a black friend of mine in Palmira used to say "they call us "coloured", what do you mean by coloured? We are black, they are pink, tan, brown, yellow....it's them who are "coloured".

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:56:

have a nice day Miguel :)

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:57:

JAJAJA....de ninguna manera ella va a darte su numero porque eres injun. Estás jodido mi llave.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:02:

quien sabe miguel?

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Tinto (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:08:

Excellent! I have tears in my eyes after watching the LOVE SONG and MARTY'S INTERVIEW WITH SPANISH MIKE. The next time someone says "Gracias" I am going to respond with "Chipotle."

I wanted access to health care, housing and education, but, no, I get potholes, trash and silicone tits instead. -Desi.

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Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:09:

Oí, casi me mierda en mis própias pantalones marica. Tengo que decir que elmodofoque es un gay que viva en Bogotá y su marido es....¡jejeje!

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:10:

morphus heheheh

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:12:

White Latins are spics? You’re living in the dream world of the 60s and the 70s where being a “spic" was not in your favor.

White Latins have earned high places in both US private industry and the public sector. White Cubans have done it 20 to 30 years ago (Cisneros is a big name). All Latin ethnic groups are making their move now in a big way. In fact, it’s sheik to to be Latin.

White (WASPY) American folks are now listening to “exotic salsa" – isn’t that funny? There are white girls who dance salsa better then some Latin girls.

It’s common for mainstream Americans to adopt the Latin culture as their own. The term "spic" is anachronistic and you only hear it in the neighborhoods (there are hardly any, or no ghettos in NYC anymore) where latinos call each other that way.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:16:

Somos mongólicos como se dice UC.

"There is nothing lower than the human race...except for the French." - Mark Twain 1878-79

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kalder says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:29:

Tinto is absolutely right.

I think all this 'blut und boden' stuff is really, really silly.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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Cerealkiller says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:00:

Kat1 you're as colombian as you feel. If you are put in a room with 50 other colombians will you fit in? Will you be able to keep up with a convo on Tamal tolimense vs tamal valluno? or on violencia bipartidista? Did you grow up hearing your grandpa bitch about liberales or godos and somehow you find yourself voting liberal or conservador? If so, then fuck what everyone else thinks...You're colombiana 100% and it only matters to you. Regarding your children, well its plain maths, they're only 50% colombian.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:06:

Cereal....if that's what it takes then I'm a Colombiana too...without one drop of Colombian blood in my veins. But I can keep on talking about tamal valluno vs. tamal tolimense all night if thats what it takes to convince somebody about the superiority of the valluno tamal :)

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:19:

Colombia is a mosaic of races and classes and being on one end of the spectrum doesn't make you more colombian than another colombian.

Being native makes you more Pre-columbian, but not necessarily more Colombian. Being paisa makes me more paisa, but not more colombian than a caleña or an Opita. I didn't grow up priviledged, I didn't sell obleas on the street either. I was part of the same middle class as Kat1.

I use the term spic as a self inflicted joke, but I am sitting in my office, sipping green tea and telling the asian programmers what to do....I am still in my 20's ad I wear heels and a skirt. You don't have to be a "white" man to go places these days.

If I hear the word spic from somebody else's mouth, these heels are going up their backside ja jaja.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:26:

I have been living here for so long and I still have a paisa accent when I speak english. I didn't think I had one, but I had a conference call today and the line had an echo, everytime I heard my own echo I was like damn I sound like a montañera.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:30:

Uste' fue el que formo este peo, uste' vera como lo arregla mijito.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Cerealkiller says on Nov 13, 2007, 11:37:

Desi you're a colombiana chiviada in the good sense of the term. But thats exactly my point, how can anyone consider themselves colombian when they know nothing of their own country? There is this colombian girl at my uni, who I have not met. Yet everyone I meet who knows I am Colombian goes, Gosh you're nothing like such and such, she refuses to speak spanish and she was born and bred in Colombia, and she claims to understand english better, go figure ... I wasn't born eating lechona and tamal but I still get excited when I hear a "quiubo"...

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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Davie Pete says on Nov 13, 2007, 12:24:

Elmo how can you identify as a Colombian? When your people owned and ruled their own land it wasn't called Colombia!!!

I think you are a typical yank!

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slguy says on Nov 13, 2007, 12:38:

anybody got any popcorn?

Desi- GREAT post. Eloquent and exactly on point.

BTW- who really gives a rat's ass who is more or less colombian, more or less american, more or less japanese? Even IF there was a clear, undeniable definition of any of them- does it really matter, except in the hearts of people who lack better things to worry about?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Mononoke28 says on Nov 13, 2007, 12:55:

100% Colombian in the house!!! Re-pre-sent!

Diana

Diana

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strata2woman says on Nov 13, 2007, 13:35:

slguy, I second that!

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Simon says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:23:

"In the end, the U.S.A. is number one for me, so I guess I'm not 100% Colombian, just a son of Colombian immigrants."

Entonces usted qué hace metido aquí? ¿Por qué no se larga para una página sobre USA? Ahí estaría más cómodo entre los 'suyos'!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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dwmte7 says on Nov 13, 2007, 14:47:

my daughter, colombian, laura juliana, tells the tias, "....you can always tell a colombiana, they all have a 'hungry crotch'...it's eating their pants. earrings, sandals and tight pants alone wont do it."

she makes point of some other hallmarks, but i'll leave those for her to share.

mitch>>>>if you are born of colombian parents in the u.s. you are a colombian citizen born abroad. same for americans born abroad. it's an international law.

patriarch

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eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:03:

If I travel to Colombia eat Colombian food I guess I take a 100% Colombian poop.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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dwmte7 says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:10:

sadly said, morph....there's a day a comin when the good ole usa is gonna rain that shit down on someone........soooooon

patriarch

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eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:10:

I see I can count on you Morphus. Solid by the way!

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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dwmte7 says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:10:

that'll be 100% american

patriarch

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Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:25:

Morph and Douglas , thanks for "reminding" people what the deal is.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:31:

Is the chicharron baked or fried? ;)

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:35:

jajajajajajajaja Fried by american innereds.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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dwmte7 says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:39:

innereds? duh...you're gonna have to help me on that one.

patriarch

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:40:

Colombiche
"(speaking spanish).... It's a plus because right now any project that pops up in the latin american region is automatically mine. I honestly think I am having the best of both worlds.

Not to mention that there is a growing customer base of spanish speakers in Canada and the US. Speaking both languages allows you to tap into two markets."

I'm glad you say that because you're absolutely right. I was having a really really pointless argument with a friend, who prided himself on speaking shitty french, and who I believe is jealous of my capability to speak 3 languages, who told me knowing spanish in Toronto (even included all of Canada and the US) is useless, that no good can come of it, that i wasted my time learning it, in order to demean the achievement of learning another language. I told him he was ignorant to suggest such rubbish, and that job opportunities can only increase as a result of knowing the world's 3rd most important language.

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Simon says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:41:

"Simon, U.S.A. is number one. We have all the bombs. Colombia will always be subservient to the U.S."

And I'm glad the hispanics are taking over it, haha!!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:42:

I live a bit north of TO and speak a little Spanish many working days, almost every week. This surprised me a great deal. With you, MIR.

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:45:

Thanks man tequilla. I think we'll all end up speaking increasingly more spanish, and perhaps even increasingly less french, in toronto that is!

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dwmte7 says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:47:

yo, t man....did i miss something in all that?

patriarch

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Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 15:54:

Toronto? Man In Red? Dunno.

Some Canadian farmers have discovered the advantage of having Mexican workers. Becoming a lot more common. The ones I see are treated fairly well and get Canadian health card numbers.

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manINred says on Nov 13, 2007, 16:03:

yeah, that's just me speculating. i don't have to use much french other than here in montreal. it's a shame, it's went downhill throughout my childhood due to lack of use, and unfortunately our public system is not very good at teaching it (and apparently we're not that great at learning it!!!).

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Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 16:18:

They get pissed off at English speaking Canadians too. But lots of Quebeckers do not speak English. I used to think they were just being difficult, but now I think it is also because French people lack interpolative skills. I swear this is true. ;)

If an English speaker goes up to a Spanish person, sees them for the first time, waves, and say "Hhhola" (pronouncing the English H), the Spanish person quickly realizes the English person is trying to say hello.

If an English speaker goes up to a Quebecois, sees them for the first time, waves and says "Bonjouu" the francophone will look confused. Bon jeu? Bon jovi? So confusing... what could they possibly be driving at?

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slguy says on Nov 13, 2007, 17:01:

ManT, this is just one of the MANY reasons I have zero use for french folk. I clearly remember sitting through an interminable meeting with some government types in Cote d'Ivoire, because everything had to be translated. Was pretty irritating, given that the Minister in charge of the meeting had a degree in English Lit (or something similar enough so that he was, without question, fluent in English, as were all the other attendees, I found out after the meeting broke up) from a major US university.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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wjp0180 says on Nov 13, 2007, 18:29:

This post is out of control.

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capitan_centella says on Nov 13, 2007, 19:09:

"liberty is what you decide to choose. . . you cannot choose your birthplace, but you can choose to love your country or not. The same goes to your family and everuthing that really matters."

Me.

"When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me.

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MitchAlvarez says on Nov 13, 2007, 19:27:

lol que locura. you guys are just a little nuts. lol ill pass on the popocorn slguy. I think I need a shot of aguardiente after reading all this.

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christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:14:

well said Captain C. I salute you.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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Man Tequila says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:17:

You're a clever man, Capitan.

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john_stark says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:40:

Kat 100% Colombian? Hell, no. Her husband doesn't even speak Spanish. What kind of Colombian would be married to someone who can't speak Spanish? If you're living a life where you're speaking English all day to your spouse and kids, hell no, you are not 100% Colombian. Not even close.

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christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:44:

Since she speaks only broken English to him, I think she is still protected. El Gato es Colombianta, cien %.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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john_stark says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:54:

Geez, dude, she's been speaking English for over 20 years! You think she sounds like Ricky Ricardo? Hell if you added it all up by now, she's spoken more English in her life than Spanish. By now she's almost as much Brit as Colombian.

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christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:58:

She is a Colombian who married a Brit, and has lived in Wales for many years. She is a Colombian woman.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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john_stark says on Nov 13, 2007, 21:59:

Right and I'm Peruvian.

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christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 22:02:

I give up John. If I wasn't here, I believe you would argue with the wall in your room. not that there is anything wrong with that.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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john_stark says on Nov 13, 2007, 22:11:

I guess I just don't see how you can say she's 100% Colombian. I bet most days of her life she doesn't speak one word of Spanish! How is that 100% Colombian??????

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christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 22:15:

She is, in my mind, as she was born there, and her family is from there. If I, born and rasied in the US, were to marry a French girl, and live in France for 20 years, and if I had to friggin learn French, and speak it every day, would I not still be considered a North American? I am either missing something in your argument, or we just need to agree to disagree on this one John.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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john_stark says on Nov 13, 2007, 22:39:

Now we're getting somewhere! I think in your hypothetical case I would no longer consider you 100% American any more. Here you are living in France for 20 years, speaking French on a constant basis (more than your native language) - I would have to say that your situation is so far removed from that of the average American you wouldn't be 100% American any more. I wouldn't say you were French but you would have moved into some kind of limbo.

I am still a Canadian citizen and I spent the first 22 years of my life in Montreal. More than half of my life has been spent outside Canada and I doubt most Canadians would consider me 100% Canadian. I don't consider myself 100% Canadian either.

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christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 22:50:

I see your point but I still, I know you will be stunned to hear, disagree. maybe our descendants will be something else, in these scenarios, but not us.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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christobeldawg says on Nov 13, 2007, 23:00:

I am on the east coast, and it is very late. can we pick this back up manana, por favor?

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Robert Jorge says on Nov 13, 2007, 23:34:

My dad immigrated to the US from Germany when he was 14. He is 69 now. He has long been a US citizen, speaks English 100% of the time. But, when he goes to Germany to visit the family, he is considered 100% German. There is no: "he is less German, more American" type of attitude among the relatives and others. I believe a person is what they feel themselves to be. I know people who have lived in the US for a relatively short amount of time, but they are proud to call themselves Americans. I also know people who have lived in the US for 25 years or more, and they still consider themselves Colombians, Brazilians, Canadians, whatever. I think it is a personal choice based on a deep feeling. People know in their hearts where "home" is. And there is nothing wrong with, or less than to be proud of, if you are from Colombia, but consider England or the US "home" now. You can still be "100% Colombian". It's the way you feel. Anybody who argues or questions that decision is an a-hole who likes categorizing people based on their own perceptions and opinions. They are very self centered. Who the hell has an official scale that assigns percentages of what you are, based on where you are from / where you have lived / how long you have lived there / what language do you speak and for what amount of time, etc.?" Screw that shit.

"You can not take the barrio out of the girl you really can't." Oneforamillion

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slguy says on Nov 13, 2007, 23:59:

Exactly, RJ.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 00:19:

J_S I know what do you mean, and off course living in the UK for such a long time some of the English culture it's going to rub off on me, but that i feel lees colombian hmm no, i can never loose that as I came to the UK already grown up, and travel to Colombia sometimes twice a year, speak with my family twice a week. I think if my family were all abroad example here in the UK although i will still feel Colombia I think i will definately say i would be more British as my contac with Colombia would be minimum. I don't know how much contact you got with Canada and if you still got family there and how much you get in contact with them.

having all my family there is what reminding me of my roots, a typical colombian family that everyday remind me where i come from and my upbringing me.

And as I said just bcause I don't like Chicharron, panela, and the only Vallenatos i lke are Diomedez or because I am not over-patrioctic doesn't made less Colombian or that i am loosing my roots, i hate those stuff when i was in living in Colombia and i hate them now. When i was living in Colombia funny enough i only used to listen to pop, rock and my favourite program wasn't the one with Jorge Baron El Show de la Estrellas, but Oro Solido if someone remember that one :) nothing have change there, but of course some perspective about Colombia have change since i have been living abroad, i can compare now, i have try new things, embrace new things but doesn't made less Colombia.

My parents move from the coast to Bogota when they were very young, and there are no a cachaco thing in them, they even still have the accent and having most of their family there reminding them on their roots, of course like me their have embrace some of cachaco culture.

I think the danger is when you really want to forget when are you coming from and stop all contact with your roots, but still somehow or another the Colombianess will come out not matter how hard you will try.

well said RJ

A question for Desi, do you feel less Finnish ?

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kalder says on Nov 14, 2007, 00:36:

I feel like a drink.

"A piece of cheese may entrap a mouse, but a bicycle could ensnare the Imperial Chancellor."~~An Bai Kuang

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2007, 05:15:

Kat, I don't really think I have lost any of my Finnishness when I've added new cultures and new languages. I'm different than most Finns who have not lived outside Finland, but that's just my own brand of Finnishness that I have. I was fully grown and had acquired a full cultural identity when I moved away from Finland. I speak Finnish just as fluently as anybody who never left, but I'm not updated with everyday life in Finland, don't especially care for Finnish music (didn't even before I moved away) and seldom read Finnish newspapers or watch Finnish TV. It's just that I'm comfortable being who I am, culturally, but if you peel off enough layers from this onion you'll find a core that's pure Finn.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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dwmte7 says on Nov 14, 2007, 05:21:

elmo...thanks for another in a long list of 'right-on', poignant comments. you always cut to the quick and bring the reality of the matter to the fore.

i'm reminded of the time when i was at u.c. berkeley and i had volunteered to do 'drug counseling' in the inner cities. (imagine me doing drug counseling) any way, one of my first talks was out in the east richmond schools. i was talking to a group of all black teens and telling them to avoid the temptation to involve themselves with drugs. then a young girl, maybe 13 or 14 stood right up in the audience and said, "....say WHAT, honkie? what the fuck do you know about growing up and living in the hood?" " you just try and imagine being raped and abused by your own grandfather...then you come back and talk to us."

well, my heart just died in my chest. that young girl was spot-on. i had absolutely no clue as to growning up like that. i had grown up in a middle class white farming community where issues such as she brought up were non existant. i was clueless of the realities of her's and her friends lives. although our family is mestizo, we lived in look like and were treated like every one else in this 'WASP' environment.

patriarch

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 05:42:

thanks desi, thta's how i feel.
Elmo, thatnks for call me fine hehe, how my father would had feel? well as long as you weren't a loser he would be fine.
about you being the real colombia because of what you just had said sorry but that's a lot of BS.

pardon my French :)))

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Colombiche says on Nov 14, 2007, 05:45:

Kat1 es colombiana a la lata, ella es una de las pocas que entiende los chistes que yo pongo en el foro. El resto son colombianos que viven en Colombia, que por supuesto, son mas colombianos que nosotras dos por el hecho de que viven y se desempeñan en Colombia en este mismo momento. Yo puedo sentarme a hablar con capitan centella y cerealkiller sobre las cosas que existian en colombia cuando eramos niños.

De resto, los chistes se quedan ahi, nadie los entiende generalmente (se quedan sanos).

Hay otros colombianos a los cuales yo llamo "los megapatriotas", esos generalmente son criados en EEUU. Ciguen ciegamente todo lo que es colombiano, no han vivido en colombia un dia de sus vidas pero critican a todos los otros colombianos que si lo hemos hecho. SU patriotismo extremo es generalmente producto de una crisis de identidad la berraca. Comparto su entusiasmo, lo respeto, pero al final me parece contraproducente.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 05:45:

You made it in the USA, some made t Colombia like my dad, and if i became part of the middle or working class was because of his hard work.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 05:48:

exactly Colombiche

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Colombiche says on Nov 14, 2007, 05:48:

Si o que? Ahora me van a tirar de la que sabemos en la cara, pero que vamos a hacer ja ja ja.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 05:54:

y yo elmo vivo con la reina aca en Londres

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Plato says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:01:

I still hold he following, while agreeing in great part with a couple of posters here - including Kat: "feeling" and "being" at the core is one thing. One is subjective ther other objective. Kat is 100% Colombian, or anyone else concerning their personal identity, in this sense.

However, you have to consider other objective descriptiors of identity: political, economic, and let's add sociological (where you live, who you converse with, etc. ) Now the whole equation gets hairy. In fact, you can't even quantify personal indentity since now where talking qualities.

People can say this is all bullshit. Fine. But you're not being completely objective. That, indeed, is the some of the bullshit I read here.

You have to consider the host country that feeds and shelters you as well, but that of course can't change how one feels at the core. Maybe it's better to say that no one living outside their birth place is 100%?

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Colombiche says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:01:

Usted limpia inodoros y yo soy sirvienta, cuido y limpia casas de gringos ricos.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:10:

I want to clean toilets in the USA it seems this job pays very well, you can go to Colombia and be able to go to expensive restaurants, the same in republica dominicana , live in Manhattan, go fishing every weekend with friends, huh!

Plato I believ we Colombians that live abroad are a new breed, we are still Colombian but with a little infusion of the new country, of course we are not organic anymore hehehe

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Plato says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:14:

Kat1,

Your wrote:

"Plato I believ we Colombians that live abroad are a new breed, we are still Colombian but with a little infusion of the new country, of course we are not organic anymore hehehe"

Kat1, agreed. If sociologists have a hard time figuring this out, then why peg the issue either way? There's a lot more here than some PBH people care to consider.

Funny, what connects us all together is that we have Colombia in common, regardless of who feels what.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:22:

plato because of this

Colombiche wrote " El resto son colombianos que viven en Colombia, que por supuesto, son mas colombianos que nosotras dos por el hecho de que viven y se desempeñan en Colombia en este mismo momento.

i totally agree with her there, she is right and only them have the right to say if i am 100% colombian or not, and i can debate happily with them, Not from a colombian born abroad or never been in Colombia or a foreigner.

and to clarify i doesn't bother me what they think what it bothers me if what the hell they think they have the right to judge who is Colombian or Not or whatever your 100% or not.specially when they don't even live there!!! it's a joke

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:39:

i don't consider myself British and as Colombiche says in comparision with the Colombian living in Colombia and never been out of the country maybe i am not 100% like them. I gather more knowdlege embraced a new cultura, learnt few new things, but it doesn't made me less Colombian, my roots are there.remember i came to the UK already an adult. all my formation, education was done in Colombia.I still have a foreign accent hehe which everybody think it's sexy :))

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:46:

10 anhos! no mijo tu eres Gringo!!! de Colombiano solo te quedo la cara heheheh

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 06:54:

only joking Elmo, although yoou have been living in the USA for a long time I know there is a lot of colombianess in you.

But i don't want to be like those people, i don't want to judge who is more colombian than who.. it's very stupid

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2007, 07:24:

I agree, kat.
You can be 100% Colombian and also 50% British. Some people (like you and me) are more than 100%. :)
I also know quite a few who are less than 100%, even when you put all the pieces together there's something missing.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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Colombiche says on Nov 14, 2007, 07:32:

The lights are on but nobody's home lol.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 14, 2007, 08:18:

The elevator that doesn't go all the way up

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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aztec says on Nov 14, 2007, 09:09:

My wife has been in the States 18 years and is a citizen of both Countries. We like to think she is an amalgamation of what is good in both countries.

She is certainly a different person than when she first moved to the States.

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 14:34:

¡Colombia somos todos!

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 14:36:

In the world according to UC, residents of El Poblado are not Colombian, cause that's not "the real Colombia".

Don't you know you have to be ghetto, monolingual and never had a passport to be a Colombian?

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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 14:39:

Exactly what percentage is Garcia Marquez?

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 14, 2007, 15:04:

LOL Pedro

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capitan_centella says on Nov 14, 2007, 15:43:

Hum. . . as colombiche clearly states, yes. . . sometimes been "too patriotic", especially when you are not familiar with PONY MALTA, MOJICONES, LIBERALES, EMPANADAS, MASATO, ESTRATO. . . (at least true bogotanians!!! I´m not costeño and I don´t like the coast, so I don´t know what define their heritage. . .) ect, ect, it´s really dangerous. When you decided to REALLY LOVE a place like colombia, with all it´s troubles, and all the nonsense to happen right here to us. . . it´s kinda funny seen other people bitchin around and complain.

It´s like hate-love. . . sometimes you can get the best landscapes in any latinamerican city at dawn, but if you check your pockets, you don´t have a single COP to take a bus, and that´s why you have the chance to see the dawn. Otherwise you´ll be late for class becouse you have to walk. And believe me, I know very well my city, becouse I´m sure I been walking it for about 25 years.

See the irony on it?.

"When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me.

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capitan_centella says on Nov 14, 2007, 15:45:

And now that I have the chance to go. (I´m waiting my visa pre-aproval to australia) It´s hard to face that same streets, and knowing that maybe, thats the last time I will walk it.

The last time I will take a bus, or eat empanadas, or go to unicentro. Little things.

"When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me.

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Colombiche says on Nov 14, 2007, 16:36:

"Hum. . . as colombiche clearly states, yes. . . sometimes been "too patriotic", especially when you are not familiar with PONY MALTA, MOJICONES, LIBERALES, EMPANADAS, MASATO, ESTRATO. . ."

That is precisely what I was getting at, that usually the blindly patriotic folks have no idea who don chinche was, don't know a manimoto from a Gudiz, an oblea from an arepa or a game of chucha, lleva, escondite, escondidijo from a la rueda rueda or tinmarin de don pingue. They think they fulfill their mission by pointing fingers at other colombians and being overall extremists and narrow minded pests.

Yo se lo que se siente estar un dia en tu pais rodeado de personas que te conocen, y luego desperarte un dia en un lugar completamente nuevo. Es una aventura, pero de lejos se aprenden a apreciar las cosas que antes parecian insignificantes.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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slguy says on Nov 14, 2007, 16:42:

"They think they fulfill their mission by pointing fingers at other colombians and being overall extremists and narrow minded pests."

atta girl.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

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Plato says on Nov 14, 2007, 16:43:

Kat,

You wrote:

"plato because of this

Colombiche wrote " El resto son colombianos que viven en Colombia, que por supuesto, son mas colombianos que nosotras dos por el hecho de que viven y se desempeñan en Colombia en este mismo momento.

i totally agree with her there, she is right and only them have the right to say if i am 100% colombian or not, and i can debate happily with them, Not from a colombian born abroad or never been in Colombia or a foreigner.

and to clarify i doesn't bother me what they think what it bothers me if what the hell they think they have the right to judge who is Colombian or Not or whatever your 100% or not.specially when they don't even live there!!! it's a joke"

In the end there are only two arguments here after 275 plus posts. Kat, I stand by you 100% (no pun intended), and, yes, Colombiche is right.

I think the problem is quantifying identity - it can't be done. No one is 100% unless your born, raised, work, vote, raise a family, etc. in your birth place .This means 100% in all aspects of what people regard as personal indentity - and there's lots of aspects. If so, you're 100% Colombian several times over by many of those aspects. I'm 100% Colombian in fewer aspects because I don't have the Anglo/WASP mentality. Thanks to my family, I'm very Colombian in very subtle and in not so subtle ways, but in not as many ways are you are. I guess the litmus test is when you feel that "chispa" from another Colombian, or someone who loves Colombia. You know that "Colombianess", no matter how faint, is there and then you know you're with your own people. With you, that chispa is a great big bonfire.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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dwmte7 says on Nov 14, 2007, 18:17:

i think a person is 100% of whatever nationality if they are born there. period. now, as plato pointed out. said personality can have certain virtues, some of which were listed above. but if you're born in russia. you're russian. if you're born in russia of colombian parents, you're still russian, and a colombian born abroad. same holds true for any country. sure we can launch upon semantic warfare, ala gorzibsky, but the fact remains, by law, we are that nationality where we are born.

patriarch

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billyb says on Nov 14, 2007, 18:30:

So tell me Elmo, do you speak the language of your people?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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webmanco says on Nov 14, 2007, 18:36:

I don´t always agree with what I said or write here, so no one should feel offended.

Colombiano come colombiana
Colombiana come colombiano

A true Colombian try his/her best not to fight with anyone, let alone a paisano
A true Colombian defend the country without putting down other countries.
A true Colombian does not doubt about his/her nationality, and don´t get upset for others trying to suggest otherwise.

A truly Colombian is a proud owner of a car like this.
Amigos de Colombia

Retires with enough time to take naps at any given day, time and anywhere in Bogotá.

Wears the national tricolor most of the time.

Wears a shirt from his/her favorite soccer team, but when any other team plays abroad, that team is Colombia and bets for it, but thinking with the head and not with his heart.
Amigos de Colombia

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 15, 2007, 01:12:

Sorry webmanco, but this is whta I mean a true Colombian it's none of that. a true Colombian is someone from Colombia y listo born raised with family there, or love Colombia no matter where they live and who is married to! Now go and send those pictures to Colombian people living in Colombia and see how many will reply that they are proud of a car like i am sure they will swap it for a twingo in no time, my sister would never be seen dead in a football shirt,and btw she lives in Colombia or wearing the Colombian colors all the tim, i do hehehe, and I am abroad!!

I think my husband then is more Colombian than me, he loves those types of cars, and although he doesn't like football shirts, he was happy to wear the Colombian one. and he married a Colombiana.
and that sentence Colombiana con Colombiano? or viceversa uhmm sorry don't agree AT ALL.

And i bet if you tell many Colombians in Colombia to wear he national colors all the time they will reply y eso es corroncho.

I think this over-patriotism here in PBH or when Colombian moves abroad, I have seen many Colombians that when they were living in Colombia they were desperate to get out, never they sent me nothing about Colombia, and now that they are abroad my email in bombarded with all of this things about Colombia, they having CPS Colombian Patriotisms Syndrome.

Webmanco I know you and others mean well, sometimes i take some of the pictures you post and show to my kids.. and it's good to show some positive things about Colombia, I think it's great, I am happy with that, but what I don't like and CORRECTION IT DOESN'T GET TO ME I AM HAPPY WITH WHO I AM AND NO DOUBT WHERE I COME FROM. is people telling others not just me, or better say judge others what is to be Colombia or what it takes to be Colombian, or if you don't do or like this and that you are not a really Colombian as if they have the rights and know better huh!!!. give me a break.

So I will say as somebody mentioned before,

Then Shakira, Gabriel Garcia Marquez and other are not really Colombians.

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webmanco says on Nov 15, 2007, 02:03:

I must confess in teory I am not a "real colombian" because I don´t do any of the above, I don´t wear anything with the "colores patrios", don´t own a car like that, however I do happily "como colombiana", once in a while.

As a matter of fact at 6:00 pm when the radio plays "el Himno Nacional" I turn of the radio or change the station.

But I know I am a real Colombian, the real one is inside of me, not in the clothes I wear or how loud I celebrate everything Colombia related.

Shakira esta tirando como hacia el lado Argentino, GGM hacia el lado Méxicano, it is not for free that people said. I do admire Juanes decision not to sing in English.

se nos esta americanizando
se nos esta UKnizando
se nos esta Mexicanizando etc

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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webmanco says on Nov 15, 2007, 05:00:

colombiano come colombiana
colombiana come colombiano

We all pay at the end, one way or another. Can´t live without them

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 15, 2007, 05:08:

Webmanco, yo pensaba que tu eras de los que se parabas, mano en pecho y subia el Volumen cada vez que escuchabas el himno nacional en la radio hehehe.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 15, 2007, 05:14:

wooah...any of you born in colombia...jaja

patriarch

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Colombiche says on Nov 15, 2007, 05:30:

Epa morphus, you are basically equating being colombian to being a whore or a beggar, can you try being a little bit more disrespectful?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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webmanco says on Nov 15, 2007, 05:31:

Kat1
yo pensaba que tu eras de los que se parabas, mano en pecho y subia el Volumen cada vez que escuchabas el himno nacional en la radio hehehe.

That way is my uncle, we were born same day, I guess I don´t show a lot of emotions. But if there is a truly Colombian that is my uncle, old fashion, heavy drinker a womanizer, over patriotic, etc

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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john_stark says on Nov 15, 2007, 05:52:

I am entitled to my own opinion and my opinion is just as I do not consider myself 100% Canadian, I do not consider Kat 100% Colombian. I don't know what the big deal is about this anyway. Nationality is an accident of birth and nothing to be proud of. It's not like a personal accomplishment or anything. Win a gold medal at the Olympics and then you can brag.

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webmanco says on Nov 15, 2007, 05:55:

But Kat1 won a beauty contest, Ms Chica Aguila, for whatever it counts.

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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Colombiche says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:01:

There are whores and beggars in Colombia like in any other place under the sun, but that doesn't mean that being colombian automatically translates to having to beg or whore yourself.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:04:

"Win a gold medal at the Olympics and then you can brag."

Pass the doping test first and then you can brag.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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john_stark says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:04:

Well you could always brag about how many steroids you took.

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billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:06:

So Elmo, you don't speak Wayuu?

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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webmanco says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:08:

Whores and beggars in Colombia are my brothers and sisters

No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas

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billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:25:

"Well you could always brag about how many steroids you took."

Maybe it should become a new medal event, at least there would be no cheating.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 15, 2007, 06:53:

to me, colombia is a country of tall, short, fat, skinny people of numerous tongues and cultures; of light and dark skin and in my own gringo experience, have one thing in common, they all love colombia. i'm a bit surprised that it's taken over 300 comments to not come to a concensus about that. lady colombia is most dear, her peoples--so diverse--have all been wonderful to and with me. for all this and more, i'm thankful and indebted to her. she's 100% colombian

patriarch

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:00:

Morphus wrote: "What are the benefits in being 100% Colombian anyway? There are more benefits in being Colombian-American. You can make more money. For example, a sanitation worker in the U.S. makes more money than a doctor in Colombia. You can go back to Colombia with your wealth and make them all jump to your service. You can court better women. You have those middle class Colombianas begging for it. You can speak both English and Spanish. That will allow you to enjoy more American television and movies. You can afford the best that Colombia has to offer...big house, nice car, vacations. Sounds good, right? Its better than being 100% Colombiano in the street begging for money or whoring yourself."

This is stupids thing I have ever read in PBH you take the medal! that happen when you hang around with children..

Elmo wrote "a guy cleaning toilets makes more money than a fokin doctor in colombia"
is that to be proud off?

J_S do i considered myself 100% Colombian? Don't know because I don't know what is 100% Colombian, do I considered myself Colombian hell yes! AND AS I SAID HERE ZILLION OF TIME AND HAVE EMBRACE A NEW CULTURA BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME LESS COLOMBIAN THAT IS STUPID!!!!

If i go to Colombia and say i am not Colombian anymore because according to here i British , they will say "yo soy una acomplejada" con la cara de chichombiana que me mando que Britanica voy a ser, y si digo que soy Colombiana ahora dicen que no lo soy que soy mas britanica.

Y entonces carajo palo porque bogas y palo porque no bogas

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:04:

Billy Elmo is going to start googlin wayuu language in a minute..

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billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:09:

LOL.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:13:

So Elmo's been speaking Wayuu all along, jaja.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:20:

so we are all wayuus!!!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:44:

"Nachiki na nichoinkana Juulio sinain kaleieruwaa wuliyuuna."
Elmo, a translation please? (I bet it's something incredibly beautiful and romantic)

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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LA_MONA says on Nov 15, 2007, 07:53:

Matame chucha wayuuulinas

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

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billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 08:13:

damn, that was good, Mona ;)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 15, 2007, 08:22:

JJAJAJA Mona

if elmo's right is because he went to Altavista wayuu translation huh!

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Nov 15, 2007, 08:29:

Nope....wrong!
"Los hijos de Julio tienen lombrices"
(It's the name of a book in Wayuunaiki or Wayuu as the language is also called)

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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billyb says on Nov 15, 2007, 08:39:

I like the other translation better :)

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Nov 15, 2007, 09:22:

That's elmo's very own wayuu translation.

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Plato says on Nov 15, 2007, 11:30:

Coño pero que peo! Jajajajaja!

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

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Simon says on Nov 15, 2007, 11:58:

"What are the benefits in being 100% Colombian anyway? There are more benefits in being Colombian-American."

Morphus,

And by your same argument, then being Colombian-American also has more benefits than being 100% American!!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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dwmte7 says on Nov 15, 2007, 12:02:

this is a kinda gringo-like sentiment of my feeling for colombia.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEmEvpM0k74

patriarch

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dwmte7 says on Nov 15, 2007, 12:03:

yeah, rambo, were kinda like the runnaway cousins.

patriarch

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manINred says on Nov 15, 2007, 14:19:

I have a British passport, and a Canadian passport, so does that not make me both 100% British and 100% Canadian?

Perhaps if we are to base this on time spent in a country, then I must be about 5% Colombian.

It's hard to judge these things.

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dwmte7 says on Nov 15, 2007, 17:25:

elmo...sometime back you asked me for some shipping info...never heard back from you???
douglas

patriarch

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christobeldawg says on Nov 15, 2007, 20:27:

As I study, painfully, Spanglish each day, I am now up to perhaps 3%.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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christobeldawg says on Nov 15, 2007, 20:43:

time flies, huh? man. no preoccupe, I don't study very hard, only listen to Pimsleur some in the car each day, as I am in the car alot, but usually, I listen to sports talk, or music. I need more people to practice with.

traveling hopefully is always better than arriving

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goin_south says on Nov 15, 2007, 21:41:

hey dawg,..... You feeling sorry for el Modefoqu yet??

Hey Elmo.... I feel sorry for ya, man.
(Like, he makes the most outrageous sob stories, eh???)

There's alot of rain in pasto, so...No Plane; ... my gal might be quite late en el altobus,...auto bus.. whatever it is... it's the slow Modefoquen Bus to Cali... so, with extra time on my hands... I'm gonna see if I can get some of that FREE CHUCHA..... solamente en su honario. jejje....

Man, you sound like a modefoqu's dad, or uncle or something

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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gringolondinense says on Nov 16, 2007, 04:47:

"can speak both English and Spanish. That will allow you to enjoy more American television".....just think of all those colombians who cant understand Roseanne or Baywatch. They are really missing out :)

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f3l says on Nov 25, 2007, 21:13:

If someone was born RIGHT at the border, depending on how much the mother was on one side or the other, that person would be more or less colombian.

however, I see that event as very unlikely to happen/have happened.

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goin_south says on Nov 25, 2007, 22:28:

Would that then cause a 'border war'? f3I?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 2, 2007, 02:45:

If you were born right on the border with Brasil example but your parents are Colombian, you are Colombian.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 2, 2007, 02:46:

Now what do you mean with? "the mother was on one side or the other,"

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goin_south says on Dec 2, 2007, 12:46:

'Being Born en la Border'.... once step closer to Globalization...lol

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 2, 2007, 12:59:

eh?

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goin_south says on Dec 2, 2007, 13:10:

think about it for awhile, kat1....you'll get it.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Dec 2, 2007, 13:14:

do i have to.. ;((((

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goin_south says on Dec 2, 2007, 13:35:

I'll give ya a weak.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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me gusta bailar says on Dec 21, 2008, 22:46:

My father is 100% Italian but he was not born in Italy. Neither were his parents. I believe when someone says they are 100% of something, it refers more to bloodline rather than the place of birth or how much you have in common with that country.

Gringita con el corazon de Colombianita

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goin_south says on Dec 22, 2008, 04:13:

good point, mgb.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Leeroy says on Dec 22, 2008, 05:47:

If we're getting into bloodlines, then I think the "How Colombian Are You?" question is going to run into dificulties. Anyone who's been here for more than 5 minutes will notice that ethnic homogeneity is not one Colombia's defining features. While (I assume) most Colombians will have hispanic (as in, from the continent of South America) ancestral genes, so too do most have some European and/or African in the mix too. If we start thinking along racial/ethnic lines, then you might have to start hunting in the jungle for true-blue, "100% Colombians" in this sense - and then, ironically, those people may well be completely unaware of what arepa and vallenato is...

Simply limiting it to genetics and bloodlines, I would guess that less than 1% of Colombian citizens are "100% Colombian", in this sense at least.

But, there are some cultural traits and traditions (some sociologists call them "memes") which could be considered more identifiably "Colombian". And, by analysing and (somehow) quantifying these in a person I guess you could come up with a rough percentage figure of how Colombian they are - although personally I think this would be a subjective and silly exercise.

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me gusta bailar says on Dec 22, 2008, 08:43:

I agree. I have wondered about this before, in terms of my own heritage. When we all go back let's say 5 or more generations in a family tree, I think people will find somewhere along the line there was some mixing. I find it hard to believe that every single one of my father's descendents were of 100% Italian origin! And I'm ok with that. This whole world is one big ass melting pot! lol But for Latin Americans especially, due to their history, you are right...is there really any 100%-ers left? It's a frequently used, inaccurate description of oneself, used to convey pride more than anything else. And that's ok with me as well. As long as people don't take it all so seriously. : )

Gringita con el corazon de Colombianita

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Leeroy says on Dec 22, 2008, 15:40:

I have heard that a DNA analysis will reveal your true heritage, your "blood-lines", so to speak. Going far enough back, I assume that we all have some African in there somewhere.

In any case, I suppose that some communities certainly are purer than others in terms of ethnicity - kind of like "pedigree" for the sake of rough analogy. While the Brits (like myself), and (in fact) all Europeans are necessarily a mix of a lot of different races/ethnicities, it might be possible that some indigenous cultures shut off from contact with others for thousands of years do more or less remain "un-mixed" - Australian aborigenes, perhaps, or some tribes in Papua New Guineau or the Amazon.

Whatever, the case is that no-one could seriously argue that "Colombian authenticity" could be quantified along the lines of ethnicity or blood-line.

So, we're forced to go with things like an individual's culture, personality, attitudes, tastes, traits, tendencies, etc... in order to ascertain their Colombian-ness. As I said before, that, for me, is a dead-end.

But, I suspect that when someone is being accused of not being "100% Colombian", or whenever an individual's level of colombianity is being questioned, this is really an accusation of lack of patriotism or perceived loyalty to their country. It has little to do with "How Colombian X Person Is", rather is more related to "How X's attitude towards Colombia is perceived to be".

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me gusta bailar says on Dec 22, 2008, 18:29:

"level of colombianity" LOL, I like that one! ; )

In that case, if compared to a person with a severely low level of colombianity, I could be considered more Colombian than THAT Colombian, even though I do not have any Colombian relatives! A very interesting theory ...

Gringita con el corazon de Colombianita

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goin_south says on Dec 22, 2008, 18:41:

does it count, if you 'look a little bit colombian'?
jaja..
que pense, mgb?

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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Leeroy says on Dec 22, 2008, 18:42:

Therein lies the complication. I own my own tejo, I know how to make empanadas, I mutter "juepucha" under my breath without realising it and litter my speech with service employees with technically unnecessary social niceties ("Muy buenos días, como le va? Ah, pues me alegro mucho....").

Yet I do not call myself Colombian - because I am not...

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me gusta bailar says on Dec 22, 2008, 19:06:

People have asked me if I was Paisa before, lol! Since I know a little more about Colombia than the "average" gringo (PBHers not included in that group), people will often assume that I am Colombian. In NY, I would have random people come up to me in stores and just start speaking Spanish, asking me for advice on what they should buy, etc. I always found that amusing.
On the other hand, I have had American people that ask me what country I'm from more times than I can count. That's even more mind-blowing. Apparently people view me as anything BUT American! Go figure.

Gringita con el corazon de Colombianita

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goin_south says on Dec 22, 2008, 22:44:

well mgb, ..
you shouldn't be offended, ..
just because you appear
as a very beautiful latina...
I'm not sure what country you could be from,
but it could be Colombia.
Or, some other.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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me gusta bailar says on Dec 23, 2008, 08:09:

Never offended. Often amused. And always flattered : )

Gringita con el corazon de Colombianita

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JungleBoi says on Dec 23, 2008, 13:02:

The term '100% Colombian' to me signifies someone who demonstrates and develops a plethora of Colombian cultural qualities that originate in any region of the recognized national borders, but doesn't necessarily mean is limited by these cultural constraints. Also a non-Colombian could be said to become more Colombian than a Colombian by adopting wholeheartedly the new culture. A good example of this in my mind would be the Brit Richard founder of the group Sidestepper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baeLSdwDBik

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goin_south says on Dec 23, 2008, 16:15:

gloid,... you know, you're tempting us to make some very low-life comments, now.

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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JungleBoi says on Dec 27, 2008, 17:29:

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JungleBoi says on Dec 27, 2008, 17:30:

^^^^^ 100% Colombian ^^^^^

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zat1 says on Apr 15, 2009, 13:57:

The question posed by this forum reminds me of Jeff Foxworthy and his jokes about rednecks.
"If you mow your lawn, and you find your car, you must be a redneck."
"If your father's cell number has nothing to do with a phone, you must be a redneck."
"If you've ever been accused of lying through your tooth, you must be a redneck."
So...
"If ______________, you must be Colombian."
¡Richard Blair and Sidestepper are awesome!

Venimos de Colombia, de la capital, y solo queremos ponerlos a gozar, ¡oye!

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goin_south says on Apr 15, 2009, 22:43:

If you bring a beer to a job interview, you must be not want a job ;-))

nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry.

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MitchAlvarez says on Apr 16, 2009, 16:33:

que viva colombia hp!!!!!!!!! la mas hermoso!!

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Rocco81 says on May 21, 2009, 10:27:

That is a bit of a vague statement but I could jus assume it means born to Colombian Parents and Raised there? I mean there are Puruvian, Ecuadorian, Asian Immigrants in Colombia so I assume they would Asian / Ec / Pu / Colombian?

Sic semper tyrannis

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